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Fox news, Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
How did this turn into a Biden-bashing thread?

I don't think it did. He hasn't been mentioned much...but he is related to Palin via the election connection...
...& both being rather bubble headed. When I think of Palin, I'm reminded of Biden...so I try not to think of her.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
My reasoning is that Fox makes stuff up or twists things to fit their agenda, and they take themselves very seriously. Stewart and Colbert don't take themselves at all seriously, and all they do is point out the stupidity of anyone being stupid.

But they, like the other news-based media, focus their keen wit more on their foes than their friends.
Since they all do it, examples matter not.

To be clear, the opposite of Fox News would be people on the left making things up and twisting information to support their political agenda. Stewart and Colbert don't do that.

The reason I gave up on them after a brief try some years ago was that I found them making stuff up,
or at least exaggerating to the point of dishonesty (a somewhat inherent trait in comedy).
 

Scarlett Wampus

psychonaut
Those three Erinýes wouldn't be anywhere near as significant if centrist and left leaning people just treated them like the comic relief they should be and moved on. The media seem to get so turned-on by their hysterical or provocative attention-seeking dramas and report on them but by doing so they lend to them what they otherwise have very little of; substance.

As I've mentioned in another thread Glenn Beck is a massive and very deliberate troll. That's all. The more attention people give him the more successful he is in all his endeavours. Palin is also effectively a massive troll but I think she actually believes she is otherwise, which is pitiful. Still, why does anyone outside of Fox-News pay her any attention? Just ignore her too. And Fox-News is propaganda TV for the Republican party. Laugh at it then let it go.
 

Smoke

Done here.
How did this turn into a Biden-bashing thread?
Just as the only thing the Democrats can say for themselves is that they're not quite as bad as the Republicans, the only thing the Republicans and their defenders can say for themselves is that some Democrats are almost as stupid as the Republicans.

If you wanted to slap somebody down for criticizing Beck and Palin, how would you do it? You certainly couldn't do it by defending their ideas, so you'd have to use misdirection.

It's like all this Fox-MSNBC blather. If you criticize Fox, somebody is sure to say that MSNBC is just as bad. When you point out that MSNBC is demonstrably not as bad as Fox, they'll say you're just biased. The inability (or refusal) to come to grips with reality is what keeps the pseudo-conservative Know-Nothing movement going.
 
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Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
But they, like the other news-based media, focus their keen wit more on their foes than their friends. Since they all do it, examples matter not.

Ah, I see. So, to you, since there is some similarity, no matter how remote and insignificant, that makes them the same thing only opposites.

The reason I gave up on them after a brief try some years ago was that I found them making stuff up, or at least exaggerating to the point of dishonesty (a somewhat inherent trait in comedy).

Imagine my surprise that a conservative somehow magically finds Stewart and Colbert making stuff up, or exaggerating things to the point of dishonesty.

1) Try the shows again, but this time leave your bias at the door.
2) They are not opposites of Fox News.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ah, I see. So, to you, since there is some similarity, no matter how remote and insignificant, that makes them the same thing only opposites.

You are the one saying "remote & insignificant", not I.
Can you not argue without maliciously re-defining the other poster's position?

Imagine my surprise that a conservative somehow magically finds Stewart and Colbert making stuff up, or exaggerating things to the point of dishonesty.
Now, now...pay attention. I am not a conservative (pro-gay marriage, pro-legalizing drugs, pro-free markets, pro-strippers, pro-heathen, pro-flag burning, etc, etc)
I said they all do it, eg, Rush, Colbert, etc.
Example: I'm an NRA member, but I see annoying bias in their articles.
 
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Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
You are the one saying "remote & insignificant", not I.

I know. That's the problem. You seem to think that similarity is significant and very close.

Can you not argue without maliciously re-defining the other poster's position?

How did I redefine your position? All I did was restate it in different terms to be more clear.

Now, now...pay attention. I am not a conservative (pro-gay marriage, pro-legalizing drugs, pro-free markets, pro-strippers, pro-heathen, pro-flag burning, etc, etc)
I said they all do it, eg, Rush, Colbert, etc.
Example: I'm an NRA member, but I see annoying bias in their articles.

I know you don't like to consider yourself a conservative, but you certainly buy into a lot of their rhetoric.

Stewart and Colbert don't make stuff up or exaggerate it to the point of dishonesty, unless they're clearly doing it on purpose in an attempt to be funny (and the assumption is that you know it's purposely exaggerated). They don't just make stuff up or exaggerate it to demonize the right.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I know. That's the problem. You seem to think that similarity is significant and very close.

I say only "significant". You may think otherwise.

How did I redefine your position? All I did was restate it in different terms to be more clear.
You restated it adding your own misinterpretation.

I know you don't like to consider yourself a conservative, but you certainly buy into a lot of their rhetoric.
I don't buy anyone's "rhetoric". I believe what I believe. If someone else
agrees with me, then it is likely they who buy into my posted beliefs.

Stewart and Colbert don't make stuff up or exaggerate it to the point of dishonesty, unless they're clearly doing it on purpose in an attempt to be funny (and the assumption is that you know it's purposely exaggerated). They don't just make stuff up or exaggerate it to demonize the right.
I forgive you...since you're just buying into their rhetoric.
 
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Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
I say only "significant". You may think otherwise.

You say both, or else you wouldn't make the claim. And no, it is neither very significant nor very close.

You restated it adding your own misinterpretation.

No, I restated it. You're welcome to point out which part was my misinterpretation, though.

I don't buy anyone's "rhetoric". I believe what I believe. If someone else
agrees with me, then it is likely they who buy into my posted beliefs.

You're right. I should have said you buy into the same type of reasoning.

I forgive you...since you're just buying into their rhetoric.

And I forgive you for living so much longer than me and yet still not having learned to not let your bias affect your judgement.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
And I forgive you for living so much longer than me and yet still not having learned to not let your bias affect your judgement.

Ah, so young, yet so much wiser than all of us...with judgment inerrant, your opinions rise to the level of indisputable fact.
A gift to mankind you are.
 
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Reptillian

Hamburgler Extraordinaire
Am I the only person imagining an arguement between Groundskeeper Willie and a Smurf? Ah, the certainty of youth...I find that with age and wisdom I become more and more uncertain. Often times, all I can do is give you the different viewpoints on a topic, not describe which is true or best. Of course I'm only 30 years old, so its only going to get worse right?

"Aye, Wullie hears yea...Wullie don't care." - The Simpsons' Groundskeeper Willie
 
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