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Evolution, the evidence redux

Autodidact

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Hey sorry Autodidact..my PC is playing up. When I hit the reply button I can see new posts that were not visible prior. I get some message that tokens have expired sometimes and can't post anything. I'll try to get it fixed next week. Sorry if I'm not replying to you properly...that's why.

I understand the tree pasted as well as any other lay person, I expect. So initially with Darwin there was ToE and some predictions made of what that should look like if correct. So then some bones are found. They are scrutinised. Usually there is debate such as this guy, Homo erectus. It gets put somewhere on a tree line that is preconceived.
I haven't said a word about bones. Where do you get this stuff? So far I have discussed: (1) the age of the earth (2) the nested hierarchy of all living things.

I pasted some info re humans being around 1.2 million years ago, showing Erectus and humans sharing some cohabitation time. Erectus was about some 400,000 to 2,000,000 million years ago and had fire, had a brain size not dissimilar to some modern humans. He is sketched as an ape, just more apier than neanderthalis used to be depicted (but is no longer). Erectus looked like a very convincing graduation morphologically. Now do any of these scientists see a man that could use fire (have we or can we teach an ape to use fire), perhaps understood the concept of fire, had a similar sized brain, may have cohabited with other similar homo species, and perhaps was not that different really. After all we are all aware of the species problem.

What I am trying to indicate is this: The tree is preconcieved. Meaning scientists know what it should look like for ToE to stand. All evidence will be made to fit into it, and of course it can, regardless. All creatures/fossils look like something else and therefore fit. No creture can be found that appears unique, unless it's alien. The morph and dating will be shown to fit. If not another theory ensues (such as with florensiensis) This in turn supports ToE, as predicted outcomes happen every time. Hence ToE is fact. To me this does not really look like evidence. Nor is it a denial of ToE. I maintain ToE is theoretical not factual.

Here's some info:
Currently, there are two unresolved hypotheses concerning Homo erectus: (1) Specimens assigned to Homo ergaster should be assigned to erectus, which would then be the direct ancestor of later hominids such as Homo heidelbergensis, Homo neanderthalensis, and Homo sapiens; or, alternatively, (2) erectus may be an Asian form distinct from African ergaster.
Whichever of these views is correct, Homo erectus is the earliest hominid known outside of Africa, and was perhaps also the first to use fire. The remains of early humans of this type are generally found in association with Acheulean tools, which represented a step of sophistication above the Oldowan, or "pebble tool" technology characteristic of earlier hominids. They had an average cranial capacity of about 1000 cc (range: 850–1100 cc) — significantly larger than that of earlier hominids. In fact, in brain size certain Homo erectus individuals exceeded many modern humans of normal intelligence. For example, the brain of the Noble Prize winning novelist Anatole France (1844–1924) had a volume of only 1000 cc.
New Human dating below
A jaw bone, which could belong to the oldest known European, was excavated by Spanish researchers in a cave at the Atapuerca site near the city of Burgos.

Reuters
MADRID - Early humans may have roamed Europe as much as 1.2 million years ago, far earlier than previously thought, scientists said today, based on fossils they found in northern Spain.
Researchers excavated a jaw bone, teeth and simple tools in a cave near the city of Burgos dated around 400,000 years older than the previously oldest-known remains found at a nearby site 14 years ago, a paper published in the journal Nature said.

I thought we were going to discuss ToE in general, not a specific application of it? I'm just going to ignore your obsession with neanderthals, and proceed with the discussion of evidence for ToE that this thread is about.
 

Autodidact

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I understand the tree pasted as well as any other lay person, I expect.

Do you understand why it is such strong confirmation of ToE? IMO, were I a 19th century biologist, this single collection of evidence would have been enough to persuade me to lean toward the validity of the theory.

And we're just warming up.
 

Autodidact

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Next, ToE makes several bold predictions about the basic reproductive mechanism.

Again, remember, Darwin knew nothing of this. He didn't know about DNA, genes, or any of it. He didn't even know Mendelian genetics.

ToE predicts:

That every living thing on earth will use the same reproductive mechanism. Again, this is really millions of predictions. If we find a new life form in a cave at the bottom of the sea or under the polar ice, it will use the same reproductive mechanism as you, a redwood tree and a slime mold.

The reproductive mechanism will reproduce offspring that are almost, but not quite, identical to their parents and to each other. It must make sexual reproduction possible, in which traits of both parents can be passed on, but in various mixtures.

A century later, this mechanism was discovered--DNA. Every species on earth reproduces using DNA. The way DNA is copied, but with occasional errors, explains exactly why offspring resemble their parents and each other, but not exactly.

Again, very strong confirmation of ToE, not learned about for decades after the theory was posited.

This is extremely strong confirmatory evidence.

Again we see how the theory allows us to make bold predictions, and explains a huge class of natural phenomena.

I would say that DNA is one of the main reasons we know that every living creature had a single common ancestor, not several or several million. The reproductive mechanism is what is carried from every generation to the next.
 

Autodidact

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newhope: So far you have not responded to or engaged with any of the evidence I've presented. You just keep going on and on about neanderthals, which, as I have explained, is completely irrelevant. I will wait for you to respond in some way to the 3 major lines of evidence I've presented before going forward.

We notice that our YEC friends are avoiding this thread like the plague. Evidence is to YECs as garlic to vampires. If you are ever bothered by them, just hold up a piece of evidence and they will disappear.

Unfortunately, this does not prevent them from later denying that it exists.
 

David M

Well-Known Member
A jaw bone, which could belong to the oldest known European, was excavated by Spanish researchers in a cave at the Atapuerca site near the city of Burgos.

Reuters
MADRID - Early humans may have roamed Europe as much as 1.2 million years ago, far earlier than previously thought, scientists said today, based on fossils they found in northern Spain.
Researchers excavated a jaw bone, teeth and simple tools in a cave near the city of Burgos dated around 400,000 years older than the previously oldest-known remains found at a nearby site 14 years ago, a paper published in the journal Nature said.

When they say "early humans" they do not mean Homo sapiens, they mean members of the Genus Homo. All members of the genus Homo are humans just as all members of the genus Felis are cats.
 

Half Asleep

Crazy-go-nuts
When they say "early humans" they do not mean Homo sapiens, they mean members of the Genus Homo. All members of the genus Homo are humans just as all members of the genus Felis are cats.

Well, we can argue the semantics of "human" all day. . .
 

David M

Well-Known Member
Well, we can argue the semantics of "human" all day. . .

No you can't, not when you are talking about science and the classification of species in the genus Homo. Homo eructus were humans as were Homo neandertalis and as are Homo sapiens.

Human is not the name of a species in the classification of species, we are Homo sapiens.
 

newhope101

Active Member
Thanks David M. Your responses are very informative. The terms 'Homo', early humans, modern humans, is a little confusing when looking up info.

Quote Autodidact:Do you understand why it is such strong confirmation of ToE? IMO, were I a 19th century biologist, this single collection of evidence would have been enough to persuade me to lean toward the validity of the theory.

Agreed. As much as I carry on, I have completely let go of young earth and biblical creative literalism. I accept that mankind has changed and that at least some of the fossils are our ancestors.

I believed I had responded to your 2nd line of evidence thread. Aren't I supposed to challenge? You know..you give evidence ..I speak of the problem I have with it. I'll stop doing it!

So I understand that ToE made predictions and science continues to support it. There is certainly more evidence for ToE than creationism. I understand your 2 points so far. Thanks.

As fo YEC's staying away....I'm glad the thread is being respected as a science thread and explanation of ToE. In school one is given a side to take I always thought the unpopular side of the debate was the most challenging and fun..but that's for other threads.
 
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evolved yet?

A Young Evolutionist
What I mean, newhope, is that when you say, "X is not an ancestor of Y," you are not addressing or refuting ToE at all. That is what you don't understand. Whether X is an ancestor of Y or Z, ToE is still correct. So you're out in left field swatting flies.
I think that what new hope is trying to say is Archaeopteryx is X and shares a recent common ancestor with Y and Y( a fossil we will probably never find) is the ancestor to Z( or in this case all modern birds)
 

Autodidact

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Quote Autodidact:Do you understand why it is such strong confirmation of ToE? IMO, were I a 19th century biologist, this single collection of evidence would have been enough to persuade me to lean toward the validity of the theory.

Agreed. As much as I carry on, I have completely let go of young earth and biblical creative literalism. I accept that mankind has changed and that at least some of the fossils are our ancestors.

I believed I had responded to your 2nd line of evidence thread. Aren't I supposed to challenge? You know..you give evidence ..I speak of the problem I have with it. I'll stop doing it!

You can do whatever you want. I'm not clear whether you accept that ToE is strongly supported by the evidence, or whether I should continue. So far I've presented only a small part of the many lines of evidence.

It's fine to challenge the evidence if you have an issue with it. What you are doing is presenting purported evidence of something else entirely and then challenging it, which is distracting.

So I understand that ToE made predictions and science continues to support it. There is certainly more evidence for ToE than creationism. I understand your 2 points so far. Thanks.
So do I need to go on...and on...and on, or are we done?

As fo YEC's staying away....I'm glad the thread is being respected as a science thread and explanation of ToE. In school one is given a side to take I always thought the unpopular side of the debate was the most challenging and fun..but that's for other threads.
Yes, and since YECs have no respect for or interest in science, in fact, have a strong interest in ignoring or repudiating it, we notice they avoid threads such as this one.

Which would be fine, if they did not then proceed to lie and say the evidence (which they refuse to read about) doesn't exist.
 

newhope101

Active Member
Quote Autodidact "So do I need to go on...and on...and on, or are we done?"
"You can do whatever you want. I'm not clear whether you accept that ToE is strongly supported by the evidence, or whether I should continue. So far I've presented only a small part of the many lines of evidence".


I suppose if that's how you feel...We're done. Thanks for your time.
 

Autodidact

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What I mean is, I have briefly touched on a few of the many lines of evidence that support ToE. If you are persuaded, I'll stop. The total evidence takes many pages. If you're interested, I'll continue. I'm only asking because so far you have not had any comments about it, just bringing up irrelevant corners and applications.

As usual, the people who deny the evidence exists have no interest in reading about it. That's because they're a bunch of big liar-heads.
 

evolved yet?

A Young Evolutionist
Homology
Why would a creator make it so that all animals have things in common? How come some species look almost exactly the same? This according to the theory of evolution is because they are closely related, if you look at the limbs of a pterosaur, bird, whale, human, bat, or anything else they are just a change in the shape of this bone and a lengthening of that finger away from being exactly the same as any of the other animal limbs:
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The Fossil Record
The fossil record is unfortunately very poor, but there is still signs of evolution. We have found Fossilized Transitional Fossils between most major lineages including Reptile to Bird which includes:
Archaeopteryx
Micro-raptor
Sinosauropteryx
These are just a few of the fossils in this area. There is a lot of other fossils for other intermediate chains including the fish to tetrapod transition:
Acanthostega
Tiktaalik
Ichythostega
There is others too for other transitions and intermediates that can be found in more detail at the intermediate forms list at talk.origins.
The Fact that fossils actually exist is evidence for evolution because a young earth wouldn't have enough time for fossils to form.
Artificial Selection
Artificial selection which is selection by humans the same way natural selection selects beneficial traits in undomesticated animals shows how much variation can be produced by selection acting on a species, for example a couple species we made by artificial selection/ Dogs, Sheep, Cats, Chicken, Guinea Pig, Pigeons, Yak, Llama, Musk Ox, Goldfish.
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Unity of life and Nested Hierarchies
Why would a creator make anything look alike? How come no bats have feathers? A creator could have done that, but why can we classify things, the evolutionary perspective can say it is because if they have recent ancestors they share more traits. Why didn't an all mighty creator put a octopussycat somewhere or a mermaid or a hippocampus( greek legendary fish-horse hybrid), the reason if you accept evolution is because that couldn't evolve with functional intermediate steps.
Vestigial Organs and Atavisms
There is also the organs that we don't use but have like the appendix, and some of our arm muscles that actually aren't present in some people. There is also Atavisms which are rare traits found in a population like, Human tails and Whale Legs as well as many others not mentioned hear.
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Predictable Biogeography
Why do living things live where they do? How come most marsupials live on Australia, why not North America having herds of grazing kangaroos? The answer is that if you follow the fossil record they were out competed everywhere else by placentals, this is a prediction of evolution. Why would a creator put penguins only at the south pole even though they probably could do just as good at the north pole( this would also solve the plight of the polar bear). How come there is no freshwater fish on islands.
Ontogeny
Though few humans have a tail at birth all humans have a tail during development. Another example is we go through a three kidneys in development the first is a jawless fish-like kidney and a Reptile-like kidney.
Observed Evolution
In my opinion some of the best evidence for evolution is that we've seen new species come about, which is called macroevolution or speciation, unfortunately many people are unaware of the examples.
Example one:

Two strains of Drosophila paulistorum developed hybrid sterility of male offspring between 1958 and 1963. Artificial selection induced strong intra-strain mating preferences.
(Test for speciation: sterile offspring and lack of interbreeding affinity.)

Dobzhansky, Th., and O. Pavlovsky, 1971. "An experimentally created incipient species of Drosophila", Nature 23:289-292.

Example two:

Evidence that a species of fireweed formed by doubling of the chromosome count, from the original stock. (Note that polyploids are generally considered to be a separate "race" of the same species as the original stock, but they do meet the criteria which you suggested.)
(Test for speciation: cannot produce offspring with the original stock.)

Mosquin, T., 1967. "Evidence for autopolyploidy in Epilobium angustifolium (Onaagraceae)", Evolution 21:713-719

Example three:

Rapid speciation of the Faeroe Island house mouse, which occurred in less than 250 years after man brought the creature to the island.
(Test for speciation in this case is based on morphology. It is unlikely that forced breeding experiments have been performed with the parent stock.)

Stanley, S., 1979. Macroevolution: Pattern and Process, San Francisco, W.H. Freeman and Company. p. 41

Example four:

Formation of five new species of cichlid fishes which formed since they were isolated less than 4000 years ago from the parent stock, Lake Nagubago.
(Test for speciation in this case is by morphology and lack of natural interbreeding. These fish have complex mating rituals and different coloration. While it might be possible that different species are inter-fertile, they cannot be convinced to mate.)

Mayr, E., 1970. Populations, Species, and Evolution, Massachusetts, Harvard University Press. p. 348
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Imperfection, Unintelligent Design and Sub-optimality
Perfection is the mark of a creator, imperfection is the mark of evolution. Some examples include Blind spots, the respiratory system crossing the gastrointestinal system( causing choking) and other problems such as the laryngeal nerve.
Gene Homology
Gene comparisons compare different genes to see how they're similar and if evolution is correct, things probably more closely related will have genomes with less differences in the genes.
Pseudogenes or Junk DNA
99% of the human genome is made of DNA that has no use this is called Junk DNA or Pseudogenes, why would a creator put so much useless stuff in there, that will just use up energy to replicate all the extra DNA, including a gene that is used to produce artificial vitamin C that is no longer functional in humans.

I've been trying to keep this list up to date and wonder if anybody had anything I should add.
 

newhope101

Active Member
Autodidact Quote:As usual, the people who deny the evidence exists have no interest in reading about it. That's because they're a bunch of big liar-heads.

I am following your and other points. So far it's basic and I understand. God does not come into it here. As you, Autodidact, stated, this is just about evidence. I am looking at it that way. As all are aware God and evolution can live together.

Perhaps I appear to not have responded because I see what you present. I have no questions. I think my replies are reflecting the uncertainty of some fossils. The extract below has assisted some of my queries.

I really do appreciate your time Autodidact, DavidM and Evolved yet. There is no need to waste your time with me. I'll go buy a good basic biology book. Then when I don't understand something I can ask the forum or Paintedwolf on the appropriate thread or on this thread.

What I think goes on is about what one wants to believe. By that I mean that if one wants ToE as the explanation of life they will see the evidence. If one does not they will harp on the flaws. I also acknowledge that seeing flaws does not mean the evidence is not satisfactory. My second paste is the kind of thing one will hang onto to.

I'm just going to hang loose for a while and await some research to unfold over the next few months. I have lots more faith in genetic testing, despite not understanding how scientists put fragments together or account for bacterial contamination.

Thanks again.



How are Fossils Assigned a Species Name?
When new fossils are discovered, it is not always clear as to which species they belong. There are two different, opposing approaches to solving this problem. They are commonly known as the typological and the populationist viewpoints. Those who take the typological approach believe that if two fossils look even slightly different, they must be from two distinct species. This is an emphasis on minor differences. In contrast, those who use the populationist approach accept that individuals in all populations of organisms normally have at least minor differences. Therefore, when they encounter fossils that are similar, but not identical, they tend to lump them into the same species. They expect that separate species would exhibit major differences. The populationist approach to defining species has become the dominant one in the biological sciences today. For psychological reasons, however, some important discoverers of fossils have tended to take the typological viewpoint. It is ego boosting to say that you have discovered something new and unknown rather than just another specimen of an already well known species.
There probably always will be a heated debate regarding the species identification for new fossil specimens. This is largely due to the fact that we cannot use the criteria of reproduction to distinguish species when we only have skeletal remains. Therefore, paleoanthropologists often use the term paleospecies . This is a group of similar fossils whose range of physical variation does not exceed the range of variation of a closely related living species. Eventually, we may be able to define ancient species more reliably on the basis of DNA samples extracted from fossil bones and other preserved tissues. At present, however, this work is just beginning and it is frustratingly hampered by the fact that DNA usually is very fragmentary in mineralized bone. The earliest human whose DNA has been studied was much less than 100,000 years old, while hominin evolution goes back to at least 4,000,000 years.


January 30th, 2010; Vol.177 #3 / Article
Footprints could push back tetrapod origins
Fossilized footprints found in an abandoned quarry in Poland hint that four-limbed creatures called tetrapods evolved much earlier and in a radically different environment than previously thought.
The footprints — many individual impressions, as well as some arranged in sets called trackways — are preserved in 395-million-year-old rocks in the Holy Cross Mountains, in the southeastern part of the country, paleontologist Per E. Ahlberg and colleagues report in the Jan. 7 Nature. That age substantially predates the time frame that paleontologists have pinned as the sea-to-land transition.
Evidence suggests that the carbonate rocks were laid down as sediments in the intertidal areas of a tropical shoreline, possibly in a lagoon, says Ahlberg, of Uppsala University in Sweden.
The presence of footprints in rocks of this age is surprising: The tracks date to 18 million years before body fossils of tetrapods show up in the geological record. And the footprints are about 10 million years older than body fossils of creatures such as Tiktaalik and Panderichthys (SN: 6/17/06, p. 379), believed to represent the transition from lobe-finned fish to creatures fully adapted to life on land.
Ahlberg and his colleagues contend that the findings “force a radical reassessment of the timing, ecology and environmental setting of the fish-tetrapod transition.” While previous studies have suggested that the first tetrapods hauled up on lakeshores or in freshwater deltas, these trackways hint that the water-to-land transition could have happened in a shallow marine setting.
 

evolved yet?

A Young Evolutionist
The second of your articles was a dead link and it looked interesting is there anyway you could get a working link?
BTW does anybody know evidence I missed.
You say it goes back at-least 4 million years, but actually at-least 5 million years.
 
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David M

Well-Known Member
The second of your articles was a dead link and it looked interesting is there anyway you could get a working link?
BTW does anybody know evidence I missed.
You say it goes back at-least 4 million years, but actually at-least 5 million years.

Per Ahlberg, the professor mentioned in the second link hangs out at TalkRational. If you ask him I'm sure he can point you to the relevant literature.

The article is at:

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/52896/title/Footprints_could_push_back_tetrapod_origins
 

Alceste

Vagabond
newhope, I recommend The Greatest Show on Earth. IMO, it should be required reading in secular schools, if only to extinguish the tedious myth that the evidence for evolution is sketchy and uncertain. It is true that we are dealing with SOME evidence that is millions of years old, and that the totality of organisms that have lived on this earth are so numerous that classification is an extremely complex and difficult job. No news flash there, and nothing to cast doubt on the ToE. Consider that the following lines of evidence ALL concur:

Evidence from the fossil record
Evidence from radiometric dating
Evidence from observation (both in the lab and in nature)
Evidence from embryology
Evidence from genetics
Evidence from pharmacology and medicine

Now, all of these fields are quite massive and filled with a huge number of researchers discovering new evidence of evolution every day. No doubt that due to professional competition, differences of opinion and gaps in our understanding of nature, a small portion of this evidence may appear to conflict with other evidence, just as it always has and always will, until even more evidence reconciles the conflicting observations - and always with another strong piece of evidence FOR ToE.

What you're doing here is picking and choosing tiny and insignificant areas of disagreement or controversy (more likely having them cherry picked for you by the likes of Ken Hamm), and arguing that the existence of little bits of ambiguity and debate here and there throw the whole concept of ToE into doubt. You fail to understand that unjustifiable certainty is a handicap to a scientist. There is no point seeking to discover the truth if you believe you already know it. If scientists were certain of every detail of their understanding of nature, science would be no different from religious fundamentalism. Indeed, religious fundamentalists argue with one side of their mouths that science is basically a religion and with the other complain that science is not certain of the answer to every question, however nit-picky and obscure.

I hope that you can understand, given the endless amount of evidence from all the fields listed above, it might be tedious for us evolutionists to discuss random, obscure conflicts between competing research teams. They have nothing to do with the theory or the fact of evolution. It is simply evidence that scientists are doing their jobs, and that we don't know everything.
 

newhope101

Active Member
You are right Alceste. One can nit pick and it means nothing in a big picture. The point I try to make is that I see enough flaws and contradictions to feel scientists use too much guesswork. I harp on neanderthal info as an example of how easily the uninformed can be misled. The many pictured apeish neanderthal was dipicted from the fossils found. I feel scientists are biased in their interpretation of evidence. Chimp and human DNA differ by as little as 4%. Latest research says 1%. RNA and Gene expression appears to be more significant than genes. I agree science is leaping ahead.


What Makes Us Human? Studies of Chimp and Human DNA May Tell Us

June 28, 2010 By Jeffrey Norris In constructing an evolutionary tree of life, scientists have granted themselves and the rest of us humans a genus, Homo, all to ourselves. But there’s no getting around the fact that we’re in the same family with chimpanzees and other primates.
The genetic codes of chimps and humans are 99 percent identical. Measured by differences in DNA, the chimp, Pan troglodytes, is the closest living relative to our own species, Homo sapiens. The comparison to an ape might make a few people squirm, but researchers now are happily comparing chimps and humans more closely than ever before.
The goal is to find out more about ourselves. What is it about our genes that enables us to develop uniquely human capabilities? And what can we learn about familiar human vulnerabilities that we do not share with our primate cousins? The secrets are in the DNA, scientists believe.
In her own search for answers, Katie Pollard, PhD, has been buoyed by a decade’s worth of advances in computer power and in the tools used to map DNA at an ever faster clip. Pollard, an associate professor with the UCSF Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics and the UCSF Institute for Human Genetics, as well as an associate investigator with the Gladstone Institute of Cardiovascular Disease, has created software programs - mathematical algorithms - to tease out vital information from DNA.
Thus equipped, Pollard is probing the places in the genetic code where base pairs - the coupled DNA alphabet building blocks that form the famous double-helix — differ between the two species. No stretch of DNA escapes scrutiny - she’s looking at the entire genome.
15 Million Differences
“Only one in 100 base pairs is different, which doesn’t sound like much,” says Pollard. “But when you consider that the genome is 3 billion base pairs long, that means there are 15 million human-specific letters of code that are not shared by the chimp. That’s more than anybody can look through manually.”
To do a better job of finding out which of these spelling differences in DNA sequences are most important, Pollard has developed powerful computer software for comparing the complete genetic codes - or genomes. She’s analyzing not only the genomes of chimps and humans, but also the genomes of other vertebrates. She’s looking for hot spots along the genome where DNA has been evolving rapidly in humans.

Already the top-scoring DNA hot spots to emerge from her number crunching have been shown by Pollard’s research team and other scientists to be important in brain development and limb formation. Other DNA differences affect the digestion of foods - not surprising when you consider how much our diets have diverged from chimp diets.
When Pollard was a postdoctoral fellow at UC Santa Cruz (UCSC) she joined the Chimpanzee Genome Project. The consortium of dozens of researchers from universities around the world completed the map in 2005. Pollard was among the first scientists to begin comparing human and chimp DNA side by side. At that time only a handful of vertebrate genomes had been mapped out. Today scientists can compare genomic data from 50 different vertebrate species, Pollard says.
Pollard, whose lab is all about computational ideas and experiments, collaborates with UCSF scientists who study diseases and work with biological materials. She also still collaborates closely with UCSC researchers, but now the banks of computers she relies on for analyzing massive amounts of data are housed at the UCSF Mission Bay site of the California Institute for Quantitative Biosciences (QB3).
DNA Changes Are the Ticking Clock of Evolution
To measure advances in the ticking clock of evolutionary time, biological scientists like to count the accumulation of DNA changes. Specific DNA mutations that arise rarely in sperm and egg may sometimes over time spread among populations to become the fixed norm within a species. When these mutations become fixed in this way, most often it is by chance.
In looking across the whole genome of a species over millions of years, changes are thought to accumulate at a slow and steady rate — like the ticks marking the movement of a clock measuring evolutionary time.
The greater the number of accumulated differences in DNA between human and another species, the farther back in time you have to go to find a common ancestor from which their evolutionary paths diverged.
Chimps and the first hominids split about six million years ago. The much greater DNA differences among mammals suggest that the first mammals arose more than 200 million years ago. The dawn of the vertebrate era occurred more than 500 million years ago.
If a specific mutation arises and becomes fixed in an unusually brief stretch of evolutionary time, it might signify that the change in DNA represents an important adaptation to a changing environment. On the other hand, Pollard says, DNA sequences with fewer changes than the rest of the genome predominate when mutations to the sequence are likely to be harmful.
“Where chimp, monkey, mouse, cat, chicken and fish have the exact same letter at a certain place for hundreds of millions of years, it suggests that evolution wouldn’t let it change because it was needed for an important role in those animals,” Pollard explains.
Chimps, Neanderthals and Humans
In scouring the genomes of humans, chimps and other vertebrates, Pollard says, “Our algorithms look for regions of DNA that have been frozen throughout mammalian evolution, but where there is a relatively sudden burst of change in the human lineage.”
Neanderthals are part of the human lineage, and the first Neanderthal genome was reported just a few months ago. The study of Neanderthal DNA might reveal changes in our own human ancestors that occurred even more recently. Information from the fossil record - and now from DNA — suggests that that modern humans and Neanderthals diverged from a common ancestor roughly 600,000 years ago.
The mapping of Neanderthal DNA is very exciting and important, Pollard says. Even so, she also notes that scientists don’t know much about how we differ from Neanderthals (called Neandertals by scientists).
“Looking at a bone, you can’t determine if the Neandertal talked,” Pollard says. “Neandertals are our closest relatives that ever lived, as far as we know, but chimpanzees are our closest living relatives. It helps to be able to look at variations within chimps, their medical problems, and their behaviors.”
Pollard starts each new research project by considering every bit of DNA equally - regardless of whether or not it’s a blueprint for a protein.
Just a few years ago higher costs and the slower speeds of DNA decoding technologies and computational methods limited how much DNA researchers could compare. Scientists focused on differences in genes coding for known proteins of interest.
Now researchers have learned that only about two percent of human and chimp DNA encodes genetic blueprints for proteins. They also know that most of the rest — once referred to dismissively as “junk DNA” — contains sequences that affect whether, where and when proteins are made - and in what combinations, a key factor in development.
Pollard raises a question that scientists have been debating for decades: “Do you make a human by making different proteins or do you make one by taking the same building blocks and putting them together in a different way?”
She says most scientists now believe the greatest potential for change arises from rearranging the building blocks. Some of the DNA formerly regarded as junk plays an important role in these rearrangements.
Emphasis on Rapidly Evolving DNA
Pollard and her collaborators are most interested in rapidly evolving bits of DNA that may play a role in determining human attributes such as language, the complexity of the brain’s cerebral cortex, hairless skin, fine motor coordination of the thumb and fingers, and the ability to easily digest certain foods we commonly eat.
The top-ranking piece of human DNA to emerge form Pollard’s first comprehensive round of number-crunching differed from chimp DNA in 18 of 118 base pairs. In contrast, between chimp and chicken —a vertebrate that has evolved on a separate path from our evolutionary ancestors for about 300 million years - there were only two differences along the same DNA stretch. Pollard and colleagues named the DNA segment HAR1, for “human accelerated region.” The name refers to this DNA’s relatively fast evolution in our human ancestors.
Pollard’s colleagues subsequently showed that HAR1 encodes RNA. But it’s not like the biology-textbook messenger RNA that is translated into protein. Instead the HAR1-encoded RNA has a more direct influence.
 

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Anyone who wants a summary of the evidence for evolution should read "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins.

And if after reading the book the reader still doubts that evolution is as solid a fact in science as any other, then their need and desire for evolution to be false is the sole reason for this.
 
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