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A Historical Look at the Crucifixion of Jesus

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Here is a paper I wrote on the crucifixion of Jesus. Any debate or discussion is welcomed.

The Crucifixion of Jesus

The Crucifixion is one of the foundational beliefs of Christianity. For me, it is one of the most interesting aspects of the life of Jesus. It is also one of the events of the life of Jesus that we can be sure that actually happened.

One can be certain that the crucifixion occurred for a few reasons. The first is that we have multiple independent attestation to the event. The four canonical Gospels all include the event. In addition to the Gospel accounts, we have Paul mentioning the crucifixion of Jesus as well.

More convincing though, in my opinion, is that the crucifixion story is embarrassing. Crucifixion, as according to Deuteronomy 21:22-23, was considered a curse. This is a belief that was also held by Jews in the first century as well. We know this from Paul, Galatians 3:13, who makes the belief clear: “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree' [emphasis mine].

In addition, Jesus being crucified, and thus dying, ruled him out as being the Messiah. Before Christianity, the idea of a suffering Messiah that would die for the sins of others was not, as far as we know, had no place in the Jewish belief. Jesus dying ruled him out as the Messiah. Since he did not overthrow the Romans, and could not since he died, for most Jews, it was beyond laughable, and was blasphemy towards their God, to call Jesus the Messiah.

Even though the crucifixion is agreed to have occurred though, the actual circumstance surrounding the actual event are not fully agreed upon. The first discrepancy we see is on the day in which Jesus was crucified. We will start first with the event as described in the Gospel Mark.

According to the Gospel of Mark, Jesus was crucified on the day of Passover. This is the account that Christians have taken to be accurate, and for the most part, is the only one they are aware of. In Mark 14:12, we are informed of Jesus's disciples questioning him as to where they are to prepare the Passover meal. This tells us that the day in Mark 14:12 is the Day of Preparation for Passover, the day before Passover. In the following verses, we are told that the meal is prepared, and is eaten. The meal was eaten on Passover day. We are later told, in Mark 15:25, that Jesus is crucified, and died, on that same day, which was Passover day.

The Gospel of John relates the events a little differently. John tells us specifically what day Jesus was crucified on. John 19:14 tells us that the day in which Jesus was crucified, and died, was the Day of Preparation for Passover. Unlike Mark, John does not have Jesus sitting down with his disciples and partaking of the Passover meal. The reason is quite simple, as according to John, Jesus was crucified the day before Passover.

The reason for this discrepancy is theological in nature. The author of John was trying to convey a message, that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb that would take away the sins of this world. We see two accounts in John that we are told this; John 1:29 and John 1:35. It is logical for the author of John thus to change the date of the crucifixion of Jesus; by having Jesus crucified on the Day of Preparation for Passover, the same day that the sacrificial lamb was slaughtered, John was trying to convey the idea that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb for the world. Seeing the theological overtones in this account, we can say with little doubt, that the account in John is less accurate.

As a prelude to the crucifixion, we are told by the authors and Mark, Matthew, and John that Jesus was flogged (Mark 15:15, Matthew 26:27, John 19:1). Luke on the other hand does not mention this event during its passion narrative. However, that should not be taken that the author of Luke is suggesting it did not happen. The reason for this is that we see in Luke 18:31-33 (Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. On the third day he will rise again.") that it was already stated that flogging would be a precursor to the death of Jesus.

Flogging was a common precursor to crucifixion. This may be another reason that Luke did not feel it necessary to state specifically that Jesus underwent flogging. People during the time the Luke wrote his account would have known that flogging was a precursor to crucifixion.

We are not told much about the flogging of Jesus. It has been assumed that he received thirty-nine lashings as the Jewish practice was to give forty lashed minus one (Deuteronomy 25:1-3; 2 Corinthians 11:24). There is no suggestion that this was true in the case of Jesus though. Instead, we know that Jesus was flogged by the Romans. Under the Romans, there was no limit as to how many lashes could be administered. This was left up to the decision of those who administered the lashings; the lictors (typically there were two lictors, but there are some accounts of up to six lictors). Normally, the lictors were not suppose to kill the victim; however, we do know that in certain cases, death did occur as a consequence.

As to the severity of the flogging of Jesus, we can not be completely sure. There is a reasonable chance that is was quite severe though. This would explain why Jesus died after only a relatively short time on the cross. However, we do have little to go on as Mark, Matthew, and John only tell us that he was flogged, and do not expand on that.

After the flogging, Jesus would have been expected to carry the cross to the place that was designated for crucifixion, Golgotha (Mark 15:21-22, Luke 23:26, Matthew 27:32-33, John 19:16-17). Contrary to popular depictions though, Jesus would not have been expected to carry the entire cross. Instead, only the crossbeam was carried.

In the accounts of Mark, Luke, and Matthew, (Luke and Matthew most likely having borrowed from Mark), we are told that a man named Simon from Cyrene was forced to carry the cross for Jesus. If Jesus truly had a severe flogging, this may have been a possibility as Jesus would have been weak. To support this idea, tradition has been created which states that during the journey to Golgotha, Jesus fell three times. However, this is not attested to in the Biblical account, and is later tradition.

The account in John tells us that Jesus carried the cross himself. Various apologetics have tried to reconcile the two differentiating accounts by explaining that Jesus first carried the cross, was weak from the flogging, and thus fell. After that, the Romans forced Simon to carry the cross. Since John does not actually state this, we can not assume that to be the case.

It is possible that Simon would have been forced to carry the cross of Jesus. The brief excerpt that we have of the instance (Mark 15:21- A certain man from Cyrene, Simon, the father of Alexander and Rufus, was passing by on his way in from the country, and they forced him to carry the cross) gives us little reason to assume that it was added for any specific reason.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
As mentioned above, only the crossbeam would have been carried to Golgotha. Popular depictions of Jesus have shown him carrying the entire cross; however, that would be highly unlikely. A full cross would weigh well over 300 pounds. Even for a person who had not undergone flogging would have had difficulty carrying the mass of an entire cross. In contrast, the cross beam would have weighed between 75-125 pounds, which would have been manageable.

Once Jesus arrived at Golgotha, he would have been crucified (Mark 15:24, Luke 23:33, Matthew 27:35, John 19:18). In all four accounts, we are simply told that Jesus was crucified. During the first century, Roman crucifixion did vary slightly depending on the individuals performing the crucifixion.

Of the thousands of crucifixions that happened under Roman authority, only one victim's remains have been discovered. We have been lucky enough that his remains were taken from the cross and placed in an ossuary. This individual's (Yehohanan) remains were found in a cave at Giv'at Ha-Mivtar. From his remains we have learned some interesting facts. What was noticed was that his legs had not been broken, and that his arms had not been pierced nails. Instead, he had his arms tied to the crossbeam, and his heels had been nailed separately to the cross.

Yehohanan's remains can suggest to us aspects of the crucifixion of Jesus. It is very likely that Jesus had his arms tied to the cross. If the individuals crucifying him were exceptionally cruel, nails could have been hammered through his hands or wrists. The only reason this would have been done would have been to increase suffering in the victim. However, the account of the crucifixion never states that his hands were pierced. Mark and Matthew are silent about the wounds to Jesus's hands/wrists. Luke briefly mentions Jesus having wounds in his hands (Luke 24:39), while John mentions them slightly more (John 20:20; 20:25; 20:27).

The mentioning of wounds to Jesus's hands only comes up in regards to the resurrection. As to whether or not Jesus truly had his hands/wrists nailed to the cross then is not for sure. We do know from Josephus that some victims did have their hands/wrists nailed to the cross, so we know that it is possible in the case of Jesus. Yet, we can not be completely sure.

Upright beams would have been in place at Golgotha as crucifixions were quite common place in Palestine. It was more economical, as well as simpler to have the upright beams in place. Once Jesus was attached to the crossbeam, it would have been raised and attached to the upright beam. At that point, Jesus's heals would have been nailed, possibly separately, to the upright beam. By doing so, it allowed Jesus some support in which to lift himself up, allowing him to expand his lungs, facilitating the breathing process.

Crucifixion was designed to be a form of execution that first tortured the victim, as well as humiliate them. Death from crucifixion could take days. In the case of Jesus, we see a relatively short period of time before death. Mark relates that the time was so short that Pilate was surprised that Jesus was already dead (Mark 15:44). Whether or the incident with Pilate is factual, the message it relates is valid. The author of Mark wanted to convey that Jesus truly did die, even though it was in a relatively short time.

According to Mark, we see that Jesus was on the cross for six hours (Mark 15:25; 15:33-34). A death from crucifixion in six hours is possible though. If Jesus had a severe flogging, a relatively short amount of time on the cross would be possible.

The cause of death from crucifixion is debated to a point. It has long been held that the cause of death was from asphyxiation (a condition arising when the body is deprived of oxygen, causing unconsciousness or death; suffocation). However, experiments conducted by Dr. Frederick Thomas Zugibe suggests that is not the case. Death from crucifixion can most likely be attributed from a combination of causes ranging from infection to dehydration.

Since crucifixion was also intended as a warning to other potential criminals, as well as a means of humiliation, a crucified body would usually remain on the cross well after the victim had died. This would be quite an effective deterrent for other potential insurrectionists or criminals. The body would later be left to be devoured by scavenging dogs and birds.

In the case of Jesus, the Biblical account differs from what normally occurred. Instead of his body being left on the cross, and later being devoured by dogs, we are told that a man named Joseph of Arimathea went to Pilate and requested the body of Jesus. We are told that he placed the body in a tomb (Mark 15:46, Luke 23:53, Matthew 27:59-60, John 19:42). Whether or not the Biblical account is accurate can not be said for sure. There is a logical reason as to why the account would have been created though. It would have provided Jesus with an honorable burial.


Works Cited
Crossan, John Dominic. The Historical Jesus: the Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant. [San Francisco]: HarperSanFrancisco, 1991. Print.
Crucifixion. History Channel, 2008. DVD.
Ehrman, Bart D. Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know about Them). New York: HarperOne, 2009. Print.
National Geographic's Quest for the Truth: The Crucifixion. National Geographic. DVD.
Zugibe, Frederick T., and Frederick T. Zugibe. The Crucifixion of Jesus: a Forensic Inquiry. New York: M. Evans and, 2005. Print.
Zugibe, Frederick T. The Cross and the Shroud : a Medical Examiner Investigates the Crucifixion. New York: Paragon, 1988. Print.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Richard Carrier is an historian and he presents the possibility that Jesus never existed. He specifically addresses some of the points you bring up:
Can you point out where he specifically addresses some of the points I brought up? I watched the video you posted, and saw nothing of worth, and I really don't care to waste my time wading through the other videos.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
One question - you call this a "paper." What context is this a "paper" - is it for school - if so, what level?
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
He's an historian, what did you expect?
Some credible research. Again though, exactly what did he say that addressed anything that I posted? If he didn't address the topic, or if you don't want to address the topic, please don't waste my time.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Nice paper, fallingblood. I'll give more feedback tomorrow.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
One question - you call this a "paper." What context is this a "paper" - is it for school - if so, what level?
I will submit it for a college class. I still have some time (actually a semester or possibly two depending on how long my independent study goes on) to reedit it.

Also, this is only a portion of the paper that will be submitted. It will be an undergraduate level paper though.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
Richard Carrier is an historian and he presents the possibility that Jesus never existed. He specifically addresses some of the points you bring up:

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YouTube - Jesus Has Left the Building, Part 1 (The Bible)


The best point Carrier made is that the so-called "Experts" that insist Jesus was a historical person are mostly theologians, not historians, and that peer pressure within this academic community will "weed out" the "mythical Jesus" believers as whackos or out-in-left-field, forcing them to "hold" to the majority opinion.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
The best point Carrier made is that the so-called "Experts" that insist Jesus was a historical person are mostly theologians, not historians, and that peer pressure within this academic community will "weed out" the "mythical Jesus" believers as whackos or out-in-left-field, forcing them to "hold" to the majority opinion.
Please, can we stay on topic here. The topic being the crucifixion of Jesus. If you want to talk about Richard Carrier, please go to the thread that dogsgod has already created on the subject.
 

dogsgod

Well-Known Member
No one is talking about the life of Richard Carrier. Richard Carrier is an actual historian that discusses the so called evidence as it pertains to an alleged historical Jesus. He discusses the crucifixion of Jesus and the last time I checked, that's bang on topic.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
No one is talking about the life of Richard Carrier. Richard Carrier is an actual historian that discusses the so called evidence as it pertains to an alleged historical Jesus. He discusses the crucifixion of Jesus and the last time I checked, that's bang on topic.
Can you point to where he talks about it? That is what I've been asking. I don't care about any arguments on whether or not Jesus existed. That can be saved for the topic you created dealing with Richard Carrier and his work.

I watched the video you posted and saw nothing that dealt with what I was saying. I saw even less that dealt specifically with some of the points that I brought up. I have no want to wade through 4 additional videos from Richard Carrier that probably have the same poorly researched information as presented in the first. If you point me to what he said, in regards to the topic of this specific thread, I would be happy to discuss it. If you have anything to say about the topic of this thread, I would be happy to discuss it. However, I don't feel like wasting time wading through videos that the mass have nothing to do with this topic.

Honestly, I don't think that is too much to ask for.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I will submit it for a college class. I still have some time (actually a semester or possibly two depending on how long my independent study goes on) to reedit it.

Also, this is only a portion of the paper that will be submitted. It will be an undergraduate level paper though.

I see.

[form] One important thing for the paper as it is... is that there are no footnotes/endnotes. You have a "works cited" but you don't cite anything. I can see the influence of these works in the paper, but that's only because I'm familiar with them.

[content] A key issue that is left out of the paper are the trials of Jesus. Some discussion on who and why the Romans crucified people makes this subject essential to your historical discussion. It would also make your paper a bit more interesting. The historical nature of the crucifixion of Jesus is a little overdone and boring, but why Jesus was crucified is still a lively debate.

Also, I would check to see if there are other remains of crucified people - I believe that your example was discovered 10 - 20 years ago (just a guess), and I recall that there are more recent examples.

You leave out medical descriptions of death on a cross (how exactly does a person die, how long does it take, etc).

I believe there are some "passion narratives" in the Christian apocrypha that you should consider alongside the Gospels.

What Jewish beliefs are and how we (you) know needs to be clarified. There is a lot of Jewish material out there, and citing one verse from Paul to support yourself is not a very strong argument.
 
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fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
I see.

[form] One important thing for the paper as it is... is that there are no footnotes/endnotes. You have a "works cited" but you don't cite anything. I can see the influence of these works in the paper, but that's only because I'm familiar with them.

[content] A key issue that is left out of the paper are the trials of Jesus. Some discussion on who and why the Romans crucified people makes this subject essential to your historical discussion. It would also make your paper a bit more interesting. The historical nature of the crucifixion of Jesus is a little overdone and boring, but why Jesus was crucified is still a lively debate.

Also, I would check to see if there are other remains of crucified people - I believe that your example was discovered 10 - 20 years ago (just a guess), and I recall that there are more recent examples.

You leave out medical descriptions of death on a cross (how exactly does a person die, how long does it take, etc).

I believe there are some "passion narratives" in the Christian apocrypha that you should consider alongside the Gospels.

What Jewish beliefs are and how we (you) know needs to be clarified. There is a lot of Jewish material out there, and citing one verse from Paul to support yourself is not a very strong argument.

I will take that all into consideration. I am working on the part of the paper about the trial, and like you said, it more interesting.

I also get what you're saying about the footnotes/endnotes. I will definitely put those in. Personally, I've always hated citing my work in anyway, but I see how it is a benefit.

Thank you for the suggestions, and I will definitely take them.
 

Klaufi_Wodensson

Vinlandic Warrior
I read that (not in the Bible of course) Jesus was probably crucified on a single upright beam, with both hands and arms nailed or tied above his head. I am not sure where I read this, but that was supposedly how people were crucified at that time.
 
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