Jesus Did Not Die

Those who maintain that Jesus (pbuh) was killed or is dead are making a serious mistake. One purpose in writing this book is to explain why this is so. In the following pages, we will examine the Qur'anic verses and the hadith of Prophet Muhammad (may God bless him and grant him peace) that reveal the truth of this issue, which has confused so many people over the centuries.
Read for yoursuelf; http://www.harunyahya.com/books/faith/did_not_die/jesus_did_not_die_01.php

Muslims believe the old testament, correct? Have you read the hundreds of old testament prophecies concerning Jesus? Have you read Jesus' own words, explaining that he had to die to fulfill the scriptures (old testament)? Have you read the eyewitness accounts of his death and ressurection, written by people who were actually there, not someone who came 600 years later and changed it? Read Isaiah chapter 53.

Speaking of that, Mohammad changed the old testament about Abraham sacrificing Isaac, he changed it to Ishmael, but when the dead sea scrolls were uncovered, it was Isaac! Until then we could not prove it, since our oldest old testament manuscript was from the 11th century, but the dead sea scrolls are much older.

Just something to think about, as I have not read your book

zahizahi said:

Those who maintain that Jesus (pbuh) was killed or is dead are making a serious mistake. One purpose in writing this book is to explain why this is so. In the following pages, we will examine the Qur'anic verses and the hadith of Prophet Muhammad (may God bless him and grant him peace) that reveal the truth of this issue, which has confused so many people over the centuries.
Read for yoursuelf; http://www.harunyahya.com/books/faith/did_not_die/jesus_did_not_die_01.phphttp://www.harunyahya.com/books/faith/did_not_die/jesus_did_not_die_01.php

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I do not think it is we who are mistaken...........

Ummm, it has never been a confusing issue to me...

Neither do I michel

Zahizahi, using another text that says Jesus did not die to argue a text that Jesus did die only makes sense if you believe either or both of the texts. You back yourself into a corner in which you can only argue that "My book is right, yours is wrong." And since this falls under the category of "Biblical Debates," there's not much sense in that.

hi zahizahi, joeboonda, michel, Mister Emu and FeathersinHair,

LET'S MAKE IN BIBLICAL...

1- "When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye anything?" And they said, "Nothing" Then said he unto them, "But now, he that hath no purse, let him take it, and likewise his bag; and he that hath no SWORD, let him sell his garment and buy one!"
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 22:35-36

* Jesus was preparing his followers for a battle.

2- ". . . Lord, behold, here are two SWORDS." And he said unto them, "It is enough".
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 22:38

3- "And, behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his SWORD, and struck a servant of the high priests, and cut off his ear."
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 26:51

* The only purpose of swords or guns is to maim and to kill. People did not carry swords to pare apples and bananas in the time of Christ.

4- "Judas then, having received a BAND OF MEN1 and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh there with lanterns and torches and weapons"
(HOLY BIBLE) John 18:3
1. "Band of men": here and in verse 12 following, the words in the so-called original manuscripts are speira and chiliarchos respectively. Both Roman military terms, meaning "cohort" and "tribune". "That John is the first Evangelist to mention Roman soldiers among the party which went out to arrest our Lord . . ." See Knox's — "A New Testament Commentary", page 260.

5-". . . Master, shall we smite them with the sword?" (HOLY BIBLE) Luke 22:49

now guys, if Jesus knews that he will just crucified why he prepared himself and his chosen 12 with swords to defend themselves?

6- "His body (any crucified person) shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shah in any wise bury him that day, (for he that is hanged is accursed of God), that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance."
(HOLY BIBLE) Deuteronomy 21:23

7- "Who, in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was HEARD in that he feared." (HOLY BIBLE) Hebrews 5:7

* What does it mean "God heard" his prayers! It means that God accepted his prayers. God Almighty is not deaf at any time. He is the All-Hearing God. He heard (accepted) the supplication of Jesus in the same way that He had heard (accepted) the prayer of father Abraham. Abraham, in his old-age had prayed for a son, and Ishmael was born. The words of Abraham had become flesh. Ishmael literally means "GOD HEARD", in Hebrew. Zakariah also in his old-age prayed for a son, and God heard (accepted) his prayers, and John the Baptist was born. Now Jesus cried for help, and God heard (accepted) his prayers:
8- "And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him."

(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 22:43

* Strengthening him in the faith, in the hope that God will save him. This is actually what he was beseeching God to do for him.

( to make it short I will make it simpler )

9- was Sunday morning, the FIRST day of the week, according to Hebrew calculations, with Saturday the Sabbath as the seventh, when Mary Magdalene alone (Mark 16:9 and John 20:1) visited the tomb of Jesus.
The question arises: "Why did she go there?" "TO ANOINT HIM", Mark 16:1 tells us. The Hebrew word for anoint is "masaha", which means to rub, to massage, to anoint.The second question is: "Do Jews massage dead bodies after 3 days?" The answer is "No!" "Do the Christians massage dead bodies after 3 days?" The answer is again, "No!" Do the Muslims (who are the nearest to the Jews in their ceremonial laws) massage dead bodies after 3 days? And the answer is again, "No!" Then why should a Jewess want to massage a dead, decaying body after 3 days? We know that within 3 hours rigor mortis sets in — the stiffening of the body after death. In 3 days time, the body would be fermenting from within — the body cells would be breaking up and decomposing. If anyone rubs such a decaying body, it will fall to pieces. Does the rubbing make sense? No!

* It would, however, make sense if she was looking for a LIVE person. You see, she was about, the only person besides Joseph of Arimathe'a and Nicodemus who had given the final rites to the body of Jesus. If she had seen any sign of life in the limp body of Jesus when he was taken down from the cross, she was not going to shout, "HE IS ALIVE!" She returns after 2 nights and a day, when the Jewish Sabbath had passed, to take care of Jesus.

10- She was sorely amazed to find on arrival, that somebody had already removed the stone and, on peeping into the tomb, she finds that the winding sheets (shroud) were folded up inside. More questions arise? "Why Was the stone removed?" Because for a resurrected body, one which had conquered death, it was not necessary for the stone to be removed for it to get out, nor was it necessary for the winding sheets to- be unwound for it to move. Because, for a spiritualised body: "STONE WALLS DO NOT A PRISON MAKE, NOR IRON BARS A CAGE."


(to be continued)

"Let's make it in Biblical!"

Sounds slightly... erm... somebody else field that!

Ok lets,

Mt. 27:50

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

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Mk. 15:37

And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

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Lk. 23:46

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

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Jn. 19:30

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost

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All four of the Gospels agree, Jesus died on the cross.

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Because for a resurrected body, one which had conquered death, it was not necessary for the stone to be removed for it to get out, nor was it necessary for the winding sheets to- be unwound for it to move. Because, for a spiritualised body

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I counter that resuurected bodies are indeed physical.

MATTHEW xxvii.:-

MARK xv.:-

LUKE xxiii.:-

JOHN xix.:-

In Luke the sun is darkened from the sixth hour and the veil of the Temple rent at the ninth; in the other Synoptics the rending of the veil appears to occur later, while Matthew adds the detail about the graves opening and the dead coming forth, and a great earthquake which rent rocks, and of which the other writers seem to be ignorant.

In John the women and the ‘beloved disciple’ stand at the cross. In Luke all his acquaintances and the women ‘stand afar off’. In Mark we have also the women looking on ‘afar off.’ In Matthew many women were there beholding ‘afar off.’ The details concerning the women are also contradictory.


Matthew and Mark give the cry: ‘Eli [Mark, Eloi] Eli! lama sabachthani?’ as the last articulate utterance; the other two know nothing about such a cry. It is to be noted that the cry as above is a quotation from Psalm xxii. 1.
Luke has a different cry: ‘Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.’ We have to note that it is almost a literal quotation from Psalm xxxi. 5 (Septuagint version).

John has a totally different cry: ‘It is finished.’

We have, in all, seven cries attributed to Jesus on the cross. With the exception of the first two Synoptics each Gospel ascribes different sayings; no two agree, and the statements of the one exclude the statements of the others.

The hearers are represented as misunderstanding the Aramaic cry ‘Eli! Eli!’ saying: ‘This man calleth on Elias’ (Eliiahu). No Jew was likely to make any such mistake; the name of Elijah and the words of the psalm would be familiar to him. As for the Roman soldiers, they probably never heard of Elijah. The writers of the Gospels must also have been writing for readers who knew not Aramaic, for they give an interpretation. Besides, if his disciples ‘forsook him and fled,’ as Matthew says, and his acquaintances and the women ‘stood afar off,’ they would not hear any cry, so there was plenty of room for the play of the imagination. While, according to the fourth Gospel contradicting the others, the ‘beloved disciple’ and some of the women stood by the cross, yet they never heard the desolate cry: ‘My God! my God! why hast thou forsaken me?’

Having gone over the Gospels, we have not yet exhausted our references. Justin Martyr, who suffered martyrdom about 166-167 CE., quoting from the ‘Memoirs of the Apostles,’ in which he asserts is recorded ‘everything that concerns our Saviour Jesus Christ,’ mentions the cry on the cross as : ‘O God! My God! why hast thou forsaken me?’ Although he seemingly knows nothing of the Hebrew-Aramaic cry of Matthew and Mark, he also gives a second cry similar to that in Luke. He says:-

The Gospel of Nicodemus gives both cries. In the Greek versions we have the Luke form with variants:-

CODEX A:

CODEX B:

The ancient Latin version also gives both cries.

The Evan. Pet. (Gospel of Peter) gives: ‘My power! My power! Thou hast forsaken me.’

In the various texts of Matthew and Mark known to us the number of variants is surprising. (For a list see Ency. Biblica, art. ‘Eli! Eli’.)

BUT

SEE THIS ...

"Who, in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was HEARD in that he feared." (HOLY BIBLE) Hebrews 5:7

Mary thinks of the stink because her brother had been dead for four days! But Jesus was confident and the stone was removed. Then he looked up towards heaven and said:

"Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 11:41-42)

(( can u explain why did he thank God for hearing him ? ))

In fact, Jesus gives his reason for speaking loudly. He says, "that they may believe that thou has sent me." !!!!!

"For I am not yet ASCENDED unto my Father." (HOLY BIBLE) John 20:17

(( NOT YET ))

Mary is not blind. She can see the man standing there before her. What does he mean by "not yet ascended" — GONE UP — when he was DOWN right there? He is, in fact, telling her that he is not RESURRECTED from the DEAD. In the language of the Jew, in the idiom of the Jew, he is saying: "I AM NOT DEAD YETl" — He is saying: "I AM ALIVE!"

"And they (the disciples), when they heard that he was ALIVE, and had been seen by her (Mary Magdalene),they BELIEVED NOT."

(HOLY BIBLE) Mark 16:11



* The Jews had murmured in the wilderness against Moses (pbuh). They had given him endless trouble, and now his successor, the Messiah is given no lesser parrying. In their bouts of harassing questionings, they come to him, now, sounding most respectable and polite:

"Master, (Hebrew — Rabbi, meaning Teacher) we would have a sign of thee"

(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 12:38


they are asking for a "SIGN" — a Miracle — such as flying like a bird, or walking on water; in short, anything they considered IMPOSSIBLE.


SIGN = MIRACLE


* So Jesus reacts:

". . . An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign (miracle), and there shall no sign (miracle) be given to it, but the sign (miracle) of the prophet, Jonah."

(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 12:39


* I will make it short here assuming that you know the story of Jonah but if you don't so please ask for it and i'll explain it from the beginning.


The question arises that, when they threw Jonah overboard, was he dead or was he alive? To make it easy for you to get the right answer, let me help you by suggesting that Jonah had volunteered; when he said:

". . . Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm for you; for I know that for my sake this great tempest is upon you."

(HOLY BIBLE) Jonah 1:12


* Now once more the question: Was Jonah dead or alive when he was thrown into the raging sea? We get a unanimous reply — that he was ALIVE! The storm subsides, perhaps it was a coincidence. A fish comes and swallows him. Was he dead or alive? And again everyone says ALIVE! From the fishes belly he prays to God for help. Do dead men pray? "No!" So he was ,.. ALIVE! On the third day the fish vomits him onto the seashore — dead or alive? And the reply again is ALIVE! It is a miracle of miracles! The Jews say that he was ALIVE! The Christians say that he was ALIVE! And the Muslims say that he was ALIVE! Little wonder that Jesus chose the "SIGN" (miracle) of Jonah as his only "SIGN" (miracle): Something on which the followers of three major religions are agreed.

and ...


"For as Jonah was THREE days and THREE nights in the whale's belly; so shall the son of man be THREE days and THREE nights in the heart of the earth."
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 12:40


(( SO HE IS SAYING AS ME AS JONAH AND THE THING THAT HAPPENED TO JONAH HAD HAPPEN TO ME )).



So we conclude that they thought that he gave up the spirit but he didn't as i have explained.