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Why Will I Be Punished?

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Benoni

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Salvation comes to all men through the atonment of Christ, in other words everyone is going to be ressurrected. It is exaltation in the presence of God that is the crown jewel of all that man strives for yet only those who prove worthy will obtain.

You use the word "programmed" like we are all robots. How illogical is that in the face of all creation and the complexity of what man must go through for a wise purpose that obviously escapes you. Adam fell that man might be and man is that he might have joy. Programmed robots can have no joy.
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I use the word programmed to counter you opinion man would be a robot with out freewill or choice; this might be true but you are correct man does have a freewill; he has a freewill to buy a coke instead of a root beer but man does not choose his parents, color of skin or where he is born; and carnal man does not have a freewill or choice for salvation; it is totally against his carnal nature
Adam fell because without a fall there was no need for a savior; Adam fell so God could have overcoming sons not naïve innocent servants.


Salvation comes because God choose you, not because you choose him; if God does not call you do not have a freewill or choice to come.

There are two groups of people I the book of Revelation; those who overcome (God’s elect) and everyone else.
Notice there is a distinction between the great multitudes BEFORE the throne (Rev. 7:9) in comparison to the overcomer who Christ will grant to sit with me on my throne (Rev. 3:21) .
Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev. 3: 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


 
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Benoni

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There is no life to choose spiritual things when you are dead in trespasses and sin; have you ever seen a dead man choose anything; he is dead and cannot hear, see, touch anything. This is so much more true when it comes to being spiritually dead. Notice what 1 Corinthians 2:14 tells us about the man with out the spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (New King James Version)

14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (New International)

14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (WE)

14The person who does not have the Spirit does not receive the blessings of the Spirit of God. He thinks they are foolish. He cannot understand them because only people who have the Spirit of God can test them.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIRV)


14 Some people don't have the Holy Spirit. They don't accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. Things like that are foolish to them. They can't understand them. In fact, such things can't be understood without the Spirit's help.
 
Erebus

Erebus

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Kilgore Trout said:
As an atheist, obviously, I adhere to no religious doctrine or dogma. According to your religion, will I suffer some sort of punishment for this stance? If so, what will my punishment be? In your own words, what exactly will it be that I will be punished for? And, in your opinion, will I be deserving of this punishment?
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Not at all, I believe that everybody, regardless of their beliefs will pass into the underworld and will either rest there or reincarnate. I think that a lot of Atheists (as in, non-religious atheists) will remain in the underworld rather than reincarnate, but this isn't because they pleased or displeased a deity, it's more because this is what they expect from their afterlife (i.e. eternal sleep/oblivion).
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Kilgore Trout said:
Ah, so you simply dismiss the possibility that people could not do those things, as that would nullify your belief system. So, the truth of the matter is irrelevant, as believing nobody could do such a thing is more important than whether someone has, and what the ramifications of that would be..
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Condemnation does not come because of sin. The wages of sin is death according to the Bible.
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

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Alceste said:
AFAIK, for most Christians, your "punishment" for non-belief is separation from God, and you're suffering it now. You'll suffer even more when you discover your spirit will live on eternally but barred from paradise. I know this because I grill my Christian friends from time to time. None of the normal Christians believe we're going to burn in hell. Pretty much, we pity one another. They pity me for my alienation from heaven and I pity them from their alienation from earth.
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Wow, a mutual pity party. There's more to life than that.
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
budha3 said:
The only punishment you will receive is the same punishment that we Christians will receive. Most of us will be punished by coming right back here on earth until we get it right; like Jesus did. God knows an atheist doesn't believe that He exist, but each child has lessons to learn. Athiest are God's children also, even if they do not believe that he exist. Believing in God is not a prerequisite for entering into heaven. Matter can neither be created or destroyed for athiest as well as Christians. 1st Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:"
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In this context the verse you offered refers to the dying of the flesh (flesh leads man to sin) and the growth of the spiritual man until the receiving of a new flesh, untainted by sin, at the resurrection.
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Benoni said:
I believe in God's punishment but not like the vast majority of Christians. God is a just God and His wrath is the wrath of a lamb, not the wrath of a lion as religion portrays.

The word punish in the Greek means to prune or chastise and there is no way it is eternal that is so easy to prove with a little search of scripture; but far too many religious people are literalist and do not search the scriptures unless it fits their bias.

Hell is another pagan concept and the Lake of fire is spiritual in nature. I can back all this so easy with the Bible. I have been kicked off five religious forums because I day go against traditional religous thought and could prove it.

Far too much of chrisitian beliefs are based on tradition and bad translations and not God's Word.

God is love and He is a just God. Besides if God does not call you.. You cannot believe.
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Limited views are so refreshing aren't they?
 
justbehappy

justbehappy

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This is one of the reasons I realize how stupid most religions are. The fact that "belief" in it being one of the most important aspects is ridiculous. That's how I know it's a complete brainwash.
 
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