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Euthanasia

painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Holy-is-his-name-
I'm not christian so I don't find useing the bible as justification...
sorry...
In my belief the dog was just as equil to the man, and yummy in soup :lol:

Maize-
It would be a tough choise for me as well... but in the end I suppose I would do it. I know if I was in that position I would rather it be done by a loved one than a doctor... It would be an act of love and not just a medical procedure.

wa:-do
 
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blessed

Member
Runt said:
God tell us "Though shalt not Kill". He did not put any stipulations on this saying, "Though Shalt not Kill unless..."
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unless it s a dog? or cattle? or pig? you just said there is no unless if your going to take eevry thing in the bible literally then are you a vegetarian? are women really lower than men come on............ the bible was not WRITTEN BY GOD so some of the ideals may have got mixed up- seriously you play chinese whispers and some one is bound to hear you wrong or misenturpret. Jesus (apparently) taught his disciples and his disciples being only human would not have understood the great magnetude of what jesus was saying and when putting it into there own words things change---------i am noit saying that is the case with the 10 commandments but what i am saying is "where do you draw the line"


And if god is all omni benevolent he/she would have the power to stop that person suferring- jesus died on the cross to save our sins to stop suffering- to me god has always been a vengeful god who punishes and on the whole is unforgiving- jesus was the one who died saving sins, god punished- noah and the flood?! if people do bad things in england you dont kill them especially if they dont realise what they are doing is wrong..............sorry strayed off topic
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Holy_is_his_name

Member
Runt,

You are talking about Capital punishment, not Euthanasia. Capital punishment in the killing of criminals; Euthanasia is assited suicide for those who are sick.
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
actually I believe that she is responding to your post

>> I do not support Euthanasia in any case. We put dogs to sleep, not humans. God tell us "Though shalt not Kill". He did not put any stipulations on this saying, "Though Shalt not Kill unless..." <<

so apparently goed did say "thou shalt not kill unless.."

wa:-do
 
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Holy_is_his_name

Member
What about in the New Testament? "You have heard the commandment,'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a sooth.' But what I say to you is: offer no resistance to injury. When a person strikes you on the right cheek, turn and offer him the other." (Mt.5:3-40)

The whole of that is "an eye for and eye, a tooth for a tooth, and A LIFE FOR A LIFE" here clearly Jesus is saying, no there are no stipulations on Thou Shalt not kill.

Also in John 8, the adultress by the Law of Moses as you stated above, the woman should have been killed, but Jesus said, "whosoever has no sin, let him cast the first stone."

Other bibilical references against Euthanasia can be in the case of King Saul (I Samuel 31:1-6), who was mortally wounded in the battle against the Philistines; he begged for his own armorbearer to kill him rather than to allow him to die slowly in torture or suffer humiliation from the enemy who would take him captive. Saul attempted suicide when his orderly refused.

Later (II Samuel 1:1-10), an Amalekite from a neutral nation passed by and Saul begged him to take his life. “Stand beside me and slay me for anguish has seized me and yet my life still lingers” (verse 9). His response was exactly that of the practitioner of euthanasia. “So I stood beside him and slew him because I was sure that he could not live after he had fallen” (verse 10). What happened? God condemned it!

The Amalekite was killed for his act, but why? David described the act as “putting forth the hand to destroy” (II Samuel 1:14). From his judgment we seemingly must conclude that it was completely unacceptable to God, regardless of the motive behind it. David equates the Amelakite's act with an act of assassination and we are left to assume that he reflected the Biblical stance of the sacredness of life and the importance of preserving it
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Again this goes back to the whole bible and non-christian argument...

regardless of what the bible says... and i'm not eaven shure the bible knows what it really wants to say... non-christians should have the choice how to face thier deaths.

If you believe Euthanasia is a sin then don't do it.
but don't pretend to care about my soul...

wa:-do
 
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w00t

Active Member
I hope I would have the courage to end the life of a loved one who was terminally ill, in unrelieved pain, and who begged me to do so. Obviously I would own up to my actions, and take the consequences. However, having said that I am not in favour of euthanasia being made legal. I think too many abuses would creep in. It would not be long imo, before the elderly and 'inconvenient' were routinely euthanased!!!
 
Bastet

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
ErikaLee said:
I agree. I was always confused, even as a child, at the constant flip flopping between "loving and forgiving God" and "spiteful and vindictive God". It seemed to me to be a contradiction. And even now you have people who fear God and people who are comforted by God. Yes, I know you can do both at once.

But there are denominations who focus solely on one over the other. That never made sense to me. I couldn't reconcile how God would be merciful and forgiving one minute and smite you and be angry the next. It boggles the mind. Personally, I never viewed God as angry at all. He always loved me and made me feel like I wasn't alone.

EL
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Maybe G*d is bi-polar? :lol:

I think the choice of a terminally ill person to end their own life, should be just that - their own choice. To be honest, I couldn't actually say what I would do in that position, either as the one terminally ill, or if I were asked to help end a loved one's life. I tend to think, if I were terminally ill, that I would want to spend as much time as possible with my family before I died...but there comes a point where that quality of life isn't there anymore, and I wouldn't want to burden my loved ones with watching me waste away slowly and painfully (if that were the nature of the illness I had). Although I think suicide is selfish (and, since I have myself been suicidal during a period of depression, I feel I know a little about it), I don't think of euthanasia as suicide. I also think that, where possible, the person should end their own life (even if it's emptying the syringe of whatever, into their own IV), rather than having someone else do it. Nothing wrong with having someone with you when you die, but I don't think that making them do it is fair. I don't know, it's a complicated issue...and I am a little mixed on it. You hear about these little old couples, where one is terminally ill, and they decide to die together...but something goes wrong, and the sick one lives while the healthy one dies...that would just be so sad...
 
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