Psychic Vampires

We have excellent examples of psychic vampirism on this list that by some are viewed a sacred act among other LHP Initiates. It's not sacred here. But it provides grist for the mill. There are many ways to use psychic vampirism, the most common we have witnessed is the creation of chaos by injecting distracting elements into threads/communication of a familiar nature to the perp that can be easily manipulated and feeding off the resulting energy created through confusion.

Set is the god of confusion-so this is actually not a "bad" thing but this is a Setian list so we will approach this in that perspective. As a Setian one does not ever use this form energy taking on other Setians, the ignorant and non-Setians are excused from this protocol as they do not know what this means or what will result when this quality of integrity is applied to their Work. That, however, does not mean that it will be ignored when used here as it creates an optimal environment for Initiation-the purpose of this list. PV on the other hand creates a lot of chaos and ugliness when used indiscriminately and that too will not go ignored here. Up to a point it has been entertaining to see who bites the bait, some have learned a valuable lesson and grown others have been changed by taking the bait-mildly interesting- and others have simply left.

Setian Vampyrism is a much different beast though and does not put much stock in vamping energy sources that are malignant-yes, I know energy is energy- right? I do not think so. I think there is a quality to different kinds of energy that will change the Initiate on subtle levels that until they mature are virtually hidden from view. I have tested this aspect of Vampyrism in my own life for many years and find this to be true for me.

So I think an experiment is in order.

You ALWAYS have access to your own energy, even if it is taken from you- it can be reclaimed. This goes for any situation humans are capable of devising, from simple minded psychic vampirism to rape/non-consensual abuse. You can get that power back and more if you so desire. Once another Being plugs into you-you are plugged into it too!! your energy recognizes its Source and can be taken back and due to the nature of magical link-often a malignant one- and that connection can be kept open to you as long as you desire with little effort as you likely did not create it
Anyone who feels they have been vamped on _this_ list by anyone else, may as they choose, construct a Rite that clearly defines and reclaims what they feel they have lost. This may be accomplished in your own ritual format. Find the magical links that will power your Rite, visualize them as strong as you can- words are Forms-build your form out of those words and draw your power back out from the Source you feel has taken from you, visualize and feel the energy flow back into you-if indeed it is there and if it belongs to you it Will be and draw as long as you choose in whatever fashion you choose. Embellish as you see fit.

There are two outcomes to this:

1) Your magical link is effective and your power rises.

2) your magical link lacks integrity (it's false) and nothing comes of it.

Both results have a good side!:yes:
the first is obvious, the second is that you have not experienced what you think you have and are now in possession of new knowledge of your Self that if used wisely will enhance future attempts at avoiding psychic vampires/recognizing your own or taking from them as you please, often RHPer's with little knowledge of what they are doing and sometimes LHPer's who are or want to be legends in their own mind.

This tech should be mastered in some way either through recognition of psychic vamps when they pop up and keeping your awareness on when they do their "stuff" so you don't 'get any on you' or actively using them, more difficult but possible if you have the time and want to put in the effort. So Like I said there are examples here-use them well.

Most of the events I'm referring to are fairly trivial in their scope and no harm should come from this Work just a simple re-balancing of energy.

You have to provide consent to the psychic vampire either out of ignorance or knowingly and if you did it knowingly this Rite will likely end up as a #2 but- it will teach you. Best thing I've found is to simply let them fade away by not feeding them at all.

Sireal hopes you have an....interesting day.:dracula:

I do see something quite different here at work, and in a free forum, I would elaborate on this.

Lately I have caught myself actually caring about what psy vamps think of me. This is troubling, but I'm addressing the matter from within, and growing from what I've discovered. At one point in processing these matters, I found myself emotionally charged and blurting aloud, "Damn, I miss Glinda!"

But I think this speaks to the point of exactly why I need to continue Work here.


Xeper,

Tolaeka

Daelach said:

I do see something quite different here at work, and in a free forum, I would elaborate on this.

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Be my guest Daelach, pm me anytime.

Tol said:

Lately I have caught myself actually caring about what psy vamps think of me. This is troubling, but I'm addressing the matter from within, and growing from what I've discovered. At one point in processing these matters, I found myself emotionally charged and blurting aloud, "Damn, I miss Glinda!"

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I remember "Glinda", it brings me back to my early days in the ToS. Over the years, I've become pretty good at smelling a psychic vampire a mile away. I try to stay clear of them, but it sometimes can be problematic as I work with a couple of them at my job. I pretty much ignore them accept when I get the urge to **** with them a little:bat:. As far as what they may think of me, I could give ratt's ash.

They have nothing on me as I keep my personal life to myself in the work place. However, I have loads of dirt on them... haha, I can be one evil son of a ***** when I want to be.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

Sireal,

Excellent post.

To me it seems the root of the problem is the popular tendency to expand our identity boundaries toward our posts and a forming online persona. It's an extension of real-time identity formation. Online and offline if we learn to adopt a mental shift that recognizes the core identity (the real "me") as not equivilant to our actions, occupations, social roles, thoughts, physical body, "energy," or RF posts, these issues have a better handle. With this viewpoint we don't surrender ownership or control of these elements of experience, yet ceasing to envision oneself as an element of experience trying to influence other elements of experience tends to provide a wider context of control. I can only think of the best example for those who have tried their hand at more intense lucid dreaming. It isn't a disassemblage of the ego but a more gentle "waking up" from identification with it while still retaining it as useful.

The ego is more of a lens on consciousness that provides the textures and flavors of the universe unique to it's make-up, not a source of personal identity. In fact it's a stretch to find identity localized in any single experience (I suspect our innermost Self is outside any possible experience to begin with - the relationship between the Observer and Observed is a little too esoteric for this discussion and up for debate). With the example above our "real" identity lies safetly in our bed outside the dream environment. I find this provides an easier framework for change without inhibition (though it takes quite a bit of work to anchor this process perceptually) and those personally penetrating fangs of psychic vampires shrivel up. If anything atleast it takes care of those pesky musturbations.

I find much of the talk of the colorful bands of negative to positive energies, plus the perception of it as a quantitative substance, are rooted in the individual's mental overlap. If we identify with the negativity of a psychic vampire we're forced to find ways to take back "our" energy or turn it into positive energy. If we see energy as social momentum being exchanged daily and cease to empower it with a personal identity signature it becomes easier to leverage the net gain in any interaction and minimize losses. We're no longer hording our limited supply of energy and protecting it from someone else but recognize our essential interconnection with the whole of reality including other selves, thus providing a richer and exhaustive energy source, and happen to direct social interactions in our favor. It's still very much self/ego centered. We're just not sticking our identity in a limited experience (our energy that stops at our skin).

Thank you for opening this discussion.

Apion said:

Sireal,

Excellent post.

To me it seems the root of the problem is the popular tendency to expand our identity boundaries toward our posts and a forming online persona. It's an extension of real-time identity formation. Online and offline if we learn to adopt a mental shift that recognizes the core identity (the real "me") as not equivilant to our actions, occupations, social roles, thoughts, physical body, "energy," or RF posts, these issues have a better handle. With this viewpoint we don't surrender ownership or control of these elements of experience, yet ceasing to envision oneself as an element of experience trying to influence other elements of experience tends to provide a wider context of control. I can only think of the best example for those who have tried their hand at more intense lucid dreaming. It isn't a disassemblage of the ego but a more gentle "waking up" from identification with it while still retaining it as useful.

The ego is more of a lens on consciousness that provides the textures and flavors of the universe unique to it's make-up, not a source of personal identity. In fact it's a stretch to find identity localized in any single experience (I suspect our innermost Self is outside any possible experience to begin with - the relationship between the Observer and Observed is a little too esoteric for this discussion and up for debate). With the example above our "real" identity lies safetly in our bed outside the dream environment. I find this provides an easier framework for change without inhibition (though it takes quite a bit of work to anchor this process perceptually) and those personally penetrating fangs of psychic vampires shrivel up. If anything atleast it takes care of those pesky musturbations.

I find much of the talk of the colorful bands of negative to positive energies, plus the perception of it as a quantitative substance, are rooted in the individual's mental overlap. If we identify with the negativity of a psychic vampire we are then forced to find ways to take back "our" energy or turn it into positive energy. If we see energy as social momentum being exchanged daily and cease to empower it with a personal identity signature it becomes easier to leverage the net gain in any interaction and minimize losses. We're no longer hording our limited supply of energy and protecting it from someone else but recognize our essential interconnection with the whole of reality including other selves, thus providing a richer and exhaustive energy source, and happen to direct social interactions in our favor. It's still very much self/ego centered. We're just not sticking our identity in a limited experience (our energy that stops at our skin).

Thank you for opening this discussion.

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wait......

O_O

I think after reading what you wrote a second time slowly, I might understand what you are trying to say.

This made me realize that, I thought I understood what ego is, but after reading that I am now wondering what exactly that part of my mind is, again.

I'm gonna make another thread about it.

I equate the ego with the self - that aspect that separates you from me and allows for our unique experiences to happen. It's your ordinary identity. It's a process of creation and not a thing. In nerd speak it's that narrative center of gravity (I'd google it).

Apion said:

I equate the ego with the self - that aspect that separates you from me and allows for our unique experiences to happen. It's your ordinary identity. It's a process of creation and not a thing. In nerd speak it's that narrative center of gravity (I'd google it).

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Narrative center of gravity -- that works well.

If the narratives an individual has been telling themselves are riddled with dogma and jargon, communication with those outside the organizational epic cycle becomes difficult. The dogma and jargon are not the real person, nor what the real person wishes to express. But question the dogma and jargon, and the ego may perceive the question as an attack. Not only on their character in the current arc of the narrative, but on the author of the epic cycle (the source of the dogma and jargon).

The perceived attacker(s) must now be written into the epic cycle (it is written :cover and labeled with appropriate jargon. The gravitational force increases as the walls constructed from dogma and jargon go up.

At this point, Dr. Freud :cigar: (or one of his colleagues) rises from a trap door in the stage, and a bonus round of Define Your Terms will be played.

Apion said:

I equate the ego with the self - that aspect that separates you from me and allows for our unique experiences to happen. It's your ordinary identity. It's a process of creation and not a thing. In nerd speak it's that narrative center of gravity (I'd google it).

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I am.

Kori Houghton said:

Narrative center of gravity -- that works well.

If the narratives an individual has been telling themselves are riddled with dogma and jargon, communication with those outside the organizational epic cycle becomes difficult. The dogma and jargon are not the real person, nor what the real person wishes to express. But question the dogma and jargon, and the ego may perceive the question as an attack. Not only on their character in the current arc of the narrative, but on the author of the epic cycle (the source of the dogma and jargon).

The perceived attacker(s) must now be written into the epic cycle (it is written :cover and labeled with appropriate jargon. The gravitational force increases as the walls constructed from dogma and jargon go up.

At this point, Dr. Freud :cigar: (or one of his colleagues) rises from a trap door in the stage, and a bonus round of Define Your Terms will be played.

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Whoa, way over my head. I should have paid better attention in general psychology a few years ago.

AnYwHoo...

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