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Why is being gay considered wrong?

Aqualung

Aqualung

Tasty
Seyorni said:
I'm perplexed by the cherry-picking of Old Testament citations supporting or condemning various practices.

The OT forbids and mandates all sorts of things that no Christian I know of pays any attention to. It calls for penalties that would leave most people without a single sheep or goat to their name!

If Jesus obviated the old rules why do Christians still cite the OT in condemning homosexuality? I assume these faultfinders are scrupulously avoiding any contact with pigskin, as is mandated right next to the injunction against homosexuality. :sarcastic
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I think that for the most part, the only things christians don't have to follow are the ones related to animal sacrifice or with other animal things, since Jesus did away with that with his ultimate sacrifice given for everyone, that they don't have to do their own sacrifices. I'm not really that sharp on OT law, though, so I can think of anything else specifically.

The reason Jesus did not do away with the homosexuality thing is because it is reafirmed in the NT, especially by Paul. The thing to do is to read the NT and see which things are specifically done away with, and which things are specifially said to be still in effect. Animal sacrifices were specifically done away with - homosexuality was specifically said to still be a sin.
 
Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Aqualung said:
I don't think he is being hateful at all. I think he is just pointing out a consistan Christian position. The only "hate" I can see is directed toward the sin itself, not toward anybody who, in his mind, is sinning.
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How can calling someone 'poison' not be considered hateful?
 
Jaymes

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Aqualung said:
I don't think he is being hateful at all. I think he is just pointing out a consistan Christian position. The only "hate" I can see is directed toward the sin itself, not toward anybody who, in his mind, is sinning.
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I can't see the sense in directing hate towards something as beautiful as love. If being glad for the gay couples who have a healthy, meaningful relationship or get married, and to hope that I can have the same some day is wrong, I don't want to be right.
 
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Cold-Stone

Member
I believe I cited most biblical references regarding homosexuality in the New Testament. The only Old Testament citation was when I expressed my reaction to a bumper sticker from a liberal looney that said

"What Would Jesus Bomb"

In which I replied-Sodom and Gomorrah. And a main corruption of this region for it's destruction was it's homosexual tolerance and practice.

I don't HATE homosexuals. I've recently met a co-worker that is a homosexual wiccan. What gave him away was his San Franciso accent, His filed down two front teeth (for sharp teeth denture implants forvampire blood sucking), and of course his baphomet ring that he wears with pride. Though depending on how he wears the ring, it could be a pentacle, so perhaps he's directly satanic too, I haven't asked him yet.

My point is, he's a super nice guy and we get along fine at work. I don't hate him.

Though the poison I speak of consists of homosexuals joining psuedo christian churchs (e.g. United Methodists Church) and then try to twist and corrupt historical biblical christianity to fit their lifestyle of poison. If you're going to be a homosexual, at least be honest, you are NOT a Christian then (Galatians 5:21).

Though it is possible that God may hate the homosexual. Or it is possible that He simple has not "called" him yet to be saved from his sins (John 6:53 & Ephesians 1:3-4). For that only God is the ultimate Judge. But as a Christian, if I see perpetual perversion (homosexuality), then via their fruits I shall know them.

And in this case, A Fruit cannot be a Saint.

This is the historical Christian position. It's as simple as apple pie. Disagree if you wish, but please, don't knock on our cathedrals to help ease your anguished conscious.

Respectfully,

Cold-Stone Advantage
 
michel

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Jensa said:
I can't see the sense in directing hate towards something as beautiful as love. If being glad for the gay couples who have a healthy, meaningful relationship or get married, and to hope that I can have the same some day is wrong, I don't want to be right.
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I had to read that twice - yes, I can see what you mean, and I understand.:)
 
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DreamQuickBook

Active Member
Maize said:
I would suggest that the only poison here is hateful statements like yours, Cold. You give Christians a bad name.
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No he doesn't. He is merely following the Bible. The Bible is very clear on Homosexuality and Cold, bigoted as he is, is merely taking that line. He represents the Christian Status Quo as it were.
 
Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Cold-Stone said:
I've recently met a co-worker that is a homosexual wiccan. What gave him away was his San Franciso accent, ]
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So because he has a San Francisco accent (what is that anyway?) that means he's gay?? Boy, you sure are a piece of work... :rolleyes:
 
Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Jocose said:
No he doesn't. He is merely following the Bible. The Bible is very clear on Homosexuality and Cold, bigoted as he is, is merely taking that line. He represents the Christian Status Quo as it were.
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There are Christians who would disagree.
 
michel

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Maize said:

There are Christians who would disagree.
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Thank you Maize, and your post is being responded to by one of those.
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Aqualung

Aqualung

Tasty
Maize said:
How can calling someone 'poison' not be considered hateful?
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He's still not hating anybody. He is calling them on the fact that they are calling themselves good christians when, in his beleif, even their overt actions are sinful. He's just saying that in his opinion it is a very hypocritical thing to do. His hate is not directed at anyone in particular, but he seems put off by the fact that people in general are having such double standards.
 
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Cold-Stone

Member
It is always a pleasure to actually agree with the satanist. Though his ad-hominem perspective claim of bigotry is emotive and irrational, we both agree that I do represent the historical christian position.

Good Job Jocose : ) If you are consistent, you're probably extremely dangerous. I respect that.

Aqua seems somewhat sharp and has exegetically relayed my point with accuracy.

So I believe I have shown the case from a Christian perspective WHY it is wrong to be a homosexual.

I hope I've helped : )

Cold-Stone Advantage
 
Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
Cold-Stone said:
Michael-

As a Christian I am encouraging them to be as consistent as possible. Thus if they have been given over to depravity (via my position-the christian position) then I hope to help them become as consistent as possible. I look at it as my good deed to humanity.

Draka is very judgemental about my judgements. We call this in theology - hypocrisy. To be that which you condemn others of doing.

I personally have not laid down the hammer on homosexuality. I have simply represented the biblical Christian position. And of course-those who are NOT christians will have systematic "justification" elsewhere (like in paganism, or buddhism, whatever).

As a Christian, it is simply not possible to be a perpetual homosexual. So it's better for everybody if they reveal who they really are to not mix poison with purity.

It's a service to humanity to be honest. Don't mix the poison with the purity. : )

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Cold-Stone, you can call me a hypocrit all you want. The fact is I am just calling them as I see them. I have always been a very open and blunt person. If I don't like something I say it. Just ask anyone on this board that has talked to me frequently to see that is true. I, however, don't base my "judgements" on personal translations of a book. I base what I say on what I SEE and THINK. I base my thoughts on educated research and science and fact. What gets me is that you don't. You are more willing to condemn those you don't truly understand and label as "poison" while you, of the "purity" you are, can keep yourself on a pedestal and make your "judgements" based on what you THINK your "God" wants. You presume to be the "know-all" of Christianity and yet it seems that you are in the vast minority of Christians on this forum that feel as adament as you on every stance you take. You have made VERY rude and presumptious statements here that are downright offensive to those you say you are trying to "help". Ever hear you get more flies with honey than with vinegar? And you are just drowning us in vinegar.
 
Jaymes

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Cold-Stone said:
I don't HATE homosexuals. I've recently met a co-worker that is a homosexual wiccan. What gave him away was his San Franciso accent. . .
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You should do standup comedy. :) I'm sure many people would find it hilarious that their accent made them gay.

My point is, he's a super nice guy and we get along fine at work. I don't hate him.

Though the poison I speak of consists of homosexuals joining psuedo christian churchs (e.g. United Methodists Church) and then try to twist and corrupt historical biblical christianity to fit their lifestyle of poison. If you're going to be a homosexual, at least be honest, you are NOT a Christian then (Galatians 5:21).
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Who are you to decide who or what is not Christian? Some will say you're not Christian for being on a computer, but simply saying it does not make it right.

What you say is not the be-all, end-all Christian perspective. It is your perspective, simple as that.
 
Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Aqualung said:
His hate is not directed at anyone in particular, but he seems put off by the fact that people in general are having such double standards.
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Yes he is, at homosexuals. He is calling homosexuals 'poison'.
 
turk179

turk179

I smell something....
Jocose said:
No he doesn't. He is merely following the Bible. The Bible is very clear on Homosexuality and Cold, bigoted as he is, is merely taking that line. He represents the Christian Status Quo as it were.
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When I first came to this forum I had a bad taste in my mouth about Christianity. Since then I have learned a level of respect for the religion and its followers. I have heard the opinion of many decent Christians. It is not Cold-Stone's views of the bible that is upsetting to me and possibly others. It is his attitude, lack of respect and sarcasm that makes Christians look bad. I have to thank everyone else for showing me what a true and decent Christian is and for giving me the chance to learn and grow as a person. I am not the most easy to understand person on the planet but I hope this makes sense. :)
 
Jaymes

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
It's rather interesting to go back through this and replace 'gay' or 'homosexual' with something like 'Jews' or 'blacks.' "I don't hate you for being Jewish, I just hate Judaism." "Blacks have the same right as everyone else... to get married to someone of their own race"... :sarcastic
 
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