Cordoba
Well-Known Member
According to Muslim belief, there is a transition stage till the Day of Judgment called (Barzakh)
The souls of people who have passed away wait in this transition phase till the start of the Day of Judgment
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Let's Talk about Heaven
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According to Muslim belief, there is a transition stage till the Day of Judgment called (Barzakh)
The souls of people who have passed away wait in this transition phase till the start of the Day of Judgment
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
That is probably the most honest and straight forward answer I have ever got from someone of the Islamic Faith - Thank You, You do yourself and your faith a service with such frank honesty. I have met several and seen many who, in their extremism, will not acknowledge such rifts unwittingly widening the gap. Rifts can and do exist among the members of any faith including my own wherein ignorance of ones own professed dogma is the offending culprit.
K.Venugopal
Immobile Wanderer
Do you mean by "choose the other path" choosing evil or choosing another religion?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
I love it when people share insight into the ancient myth systems, don't you? It's so interesting.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Indeed, seeing how humans attempt to mitigate fear through comforting myths gives a fascinating insight into human psychology and sociology.
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
The path of disbelief in God
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Does that mean atheism or does it include polytheism, or any path that rejects the Islamic conception of divinity whom you as Muslims call Allah?
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
Both atheism and polytheism, and all beliefs which are not pure Monotheism
The belief in the One and only Creator and Sustainer of the universe is God's Guidance which He conveyed to mankind through all of His prophets, from Adam and Noah to Abraham, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them all
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Does that include Monism?
What do you define as "Pure monotheism"?
Most importantly: why? Why do you believe that only those who adhere to 'pure monotheism' and believe in all of these prophets go to a Paradisal Heaven with lots of sex, to constantly worship a deity who makes you forget about your loved ones who lived previously who are now being tortured in flames?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Cordoba: Unless you are prepared to defend these unsupported bald allegations, you need to say, "I believe..." in front of these statements. They are not statements of fact; they are statements of your religious belief. Did you want to debate them?
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Where, physically, is Heaven?
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
I don't have an answer to that question
What we know from the Qur'an is that our universe is currently inside seven layers of "skies".
When this world ends, according to the Muslim faith, we will be resurected in the Hereafter and will find a new universe, a new "earth" and new "skies", which includes Heaven.
I have a genuine question for cordoba or any other Muslim who cares to answer.
in the Quran it says that Allah will guide whom he wills, and some people he even leads astray putting a shield over their eyes and heart. It then goes on to say how those people will be punished in Hell. If he is the one who put a shield on their eyes\heart preventing them from seeing the truth, how is it fair for them to be punished?
If I have something wrong Please correct me, I'm asking a genuine question.
in the Quran it says that Allah will guide whom he wills, and some people he even leads astray putting a shield over their eyes and heart. It then goes on to say how those people will be punished in Hell. If he is the one who put a shield on their eyes\heart preventing them from seeing the truth, how is it fair for them to be punished?
If I have something wrong Please correct me, I'm asking a genuine question.
Cordoba
Well-Known Member
The shield or cover on the heart mentioned in the Qur'an is only for those who intentionally insist on choosing the path of disbelief
It does not apply to people with an open mind who are on a journey searching for the Truth on whether God exists or not, and the proof is that millions of people go from being agnostics to being believers
God is Fair and Just, and He would not make us accountable if we did not have free will to choose between belief and disbelief.
He knows our intentions and He judges us on that basis
averageJOE
zombie
These are great questions.Does that include Monism?
What do you define as "Pure monotheism"?
Most importantly: why? Why do you believe that only those who adhere to 'pure monotheism' and believe in all of these prophets go to a Paradisal Heaven with lots of sex, to constantly worship a deity who makes you forget about your loved ones who lived previously who are now being tortured in flames?
Muffled
Jesus in me
Loving your neighbor is an anchronism? Somehow that kind of view fits in better with the world you describe.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Christianity conquered the world not by loving their neighbors, but by conquering them, enslaving them, and converting them. that is the world's history.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I have seen that nowhere in the Bible or the Qu'ran.
Having a reservation isn't the same thing as showing up for dinner. Many are called but few are chosen.
This is not the same Paradise that Jesus spoke of. Jesus used Paradise as a description of Heaven but at the Judgement people enter the New Jerusalem which later descends to a new earth.
Heaven has no gates. The gates are on the wall of the New Jerusalem. There are twelve of them made of pearl. There are twelve angels, one for each gate.
Muffled
Jesus in me
You can love your neighbor but that is no guarantee that your neighbor will love you. That is even more true of people who have not yet learned the concept. Christian missionaries were often killed in unfriendly lands. Charlmagne conquered with the view that missionaries would not be harmed and the result was the pacification of a warlike people. Originally Islam progressed in the same way. If people wished to be at peace, Muslims were at peace with them. That doesn't mean that every Christian or Muslim leader has acted nobly. Sometimes people are corrupted by power, greed and pride. However that is not because the precept was bad but because people didn't practice it.