Iranian lesbian denied asylum by Britain.

Abu Rashid said:

Why is it that you think she's so much more worthier of asylum just because she engages in homosexual activities? Sounds pretty bizarre to evaluate people's worthiness for asylum based on their choice of sexual partners.

Btw, the law in Iran regarding lesbians applies the death penalty on the 4th. time they are caught engaging in their criminal behaviour. So I doubt she'd be executed if she returns. If she keeps committing such crimes, then yes she would eventually.

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I presume that they need 4 eye witnesses for legal proof the lesbian act happened.

Autodidact said:

Of course he has the right to expose his hateful bigotry for all the world to see; and I encourage him to do so.

Yes, Tasha, I accept your criticism. I will say though that if you disagree with Abu, and actually care whether this poor woman lives or dies, you might post to say so. That would do more to defend Islam from being tarred with his brush than rebuking me for merely believing him. He claims that his view is Islamic, and who am I to disagree? You are in a much better position to do so than I.

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I have read the OP. Maybe Britain don't believe that the actress life is really in danger. There is no death threats or anything of that sort.

What do you think?

TashaN said:

I have read the OP. Maybe Britain don't believe that the actress life is really in danger. There is no death threats or anything of that sort.

What do you think?

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Well, I'm speculating a bit. I don't think there is much question that she would have been executed had she returned to Iran, because (1) Iran has already executed several similar individuals (2) she did the unthinkable, which is to criticize the regime publicly. As to Britain's motivations? There may be some diplomatic thing going on we don't know about. On the surface, maybe they don't care much about an Iranian lesbian. Maybe they're a bit sexist, a bit racist, a bit anti-gay, and a bit anti-Muslim, so she's not a priority for them. What they said makes no sense, which is that her life was not in danger because she could conceal her lesbianism on her return. Since she's in a movie that has been released, that is impossible. So it's hard to tell what they're real motivation was. What I know is that what got them to reverse their stance was international pressure, so thanks to everyone who helped to do that.

Autodidact said:

Well, I'm speculating a bit. I don't think there is much question that she would have been executed had she returned to Iran ...

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Well, i'll have to disagree with you.

According to your source: Coilhouse » Blog Archive » Save the Life of Kiana Firouz

Kiana Firouz, 27 years old, is an outspoken Iranian LGBT rights activist, filmmaker, and actress. When clips of her video documentary work featuring the struggle and persecution of gays and lesbians in her country were acquired by Iranian intelligence, agents began to follow Firouz around Tehran, harassing and intimidating her. She fled for England where she could safely continue her work and studies.

I think she was within the reach of the Iranian government--even after knowing that she made these clips--but they didn't try to arrest her or investigate with her, let alone punishing her for being a lesbian. I'm still not buying it, and the claim that Britain dropped the case for some hidden agendas or some political issues is far from the truth because Britain wouldn't care whether Iran will be upset about this or not. Iran is not an ally of Britain or anything you know.

TashaN said:

Well, i'll have to disagree with you.

According to your source: Coilhouse » Blog Archive » Save the Life of Kiana Firouz

Kiana Firouz, 27 years old, is an outspoken Iranian LGBT rights activist, filmmaker, and actress. When clips of her video documentary work featuring the struggle and persecution of gays and lesbians in her country were acquired by Iranian intelligence, agents began to follow Firouz around Tehran, harassing and intimidating her. She fled for England where she could safely continue her work and studies.

I think she was within the reach of the Iranian government--even after knowing that she made these clips--but they didn't try to arrest her or investigate with her, let alone punishing her for being a lesbian. I'm still not buying it, and the claim that Britain dropped the case for some hidden agendas or some political issues is far from the truth because Britain wouldn't care whether Iran will be upset about this or not. Iran is not an ally of Britain or anything you know.

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So your claim is that you don't think Iran will execute her? Why not? Do they not execute gay people? Or film-makers they don't like? Repeated lesbianism is a capital offense in Iran. The law calls for her to be killed. Why do you think she fled? What do you think will happen to her in Iran? Would you go back, if you were her?

Autodidact said:

So your claim is that you don't think Iran will execute her? Why not? Do they not execute gay people? Or film-makers they don't like? Repeated lesbianism is a capital offense in Iran. The law calls for her to be killed. Why do you think she fled? What do you think will happen to her in Iran? Would you go back, if you were her?

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I'm just dealing with facts in here. Iran knew about her film but they did what? intimidate her?!

Of course if i were her, i would have wished to live in a more open and more accepting society for my beliefs, and that's not surprising. Nevertheless, i don't think her wish would count when it comes to asking for asylum. She need more than that to prove her case in front of court. If she was in a real danger, i think Britain would be more than happy to grant her asylum, like many before her.

“Definitely she will be killed,” says Ramin Goudarzi Nejad, the London-based director of Cul-de-Sac.
“She would be arrested ... She would be tortured. She could face execution not for being a lesbian but for embarrassing the regime,” said Paul Canning, editor of the website LGBT Asylum News.

Jafar Panahi, one of Iran’s leading film-makers, is at present locked up in the infamous Evin prison in Tehran for allegedly making a film critical of the regime.

Under Iran’s ultra-conservative interpretation of Islamic law, lesbians face 100 lashes and, if caught four times, death. Male homosexuals likewise face execution. Many human rights organisations believe that scores have been hanged and hundreds flogged since the Islamic revolution of 1979.

There is a precedent for granting her asylum. In 2006 a homosexual student named Mehdi Kazemi applied for asylum in Britain after his partner was executed in Iran. When his application was rejected, he fled to the Netherlands, where he was again refused because asylum seekers can apply in only one EU country.
He returned to Britain, and in 2008 Jacqui Smith, then Home Secretary, succumbed to pressure and let him stay.


Also note that: Firouz, 27, came to Britain two years ago as a student, but while she was here the Iranian intelligence services discovered footage of a documentary that she had been making secretly about homosexuals in Tehran.


That is, by the time they found out about her, she was already in Britain.


All from here.


You're awfully careless with someone else's life.

Autodidact said:

“Definitely she will be killed,” says Ramin Goudarzi Nejad, the London-based director of Cul-de-Sac.
“She would be arrested ... She would be tortured. She could face execution not for being a lesbian but for embarrassing the regime,” said Paul Canning, editor of the website LGBT Asylum News.

Jafar Panahi, one of Iran’s leading film-makers, is at present locked up in the infamous Evin prison in Tehran for allegedly making a film critical of the regime.

Under Iran’s ultra-conservative interpretation of Islamic law, lesbians face 100 lashes and, if caught four times, death. Male homosexuals likewise face execution. Many human rights organisations believe that scores have been hanged and hundreds flogged since the Islamic revolution of 1979.

There is a precedent for granting her asylum. In 2006 a homosexual student named Mehdi Kazemi applied for asylum in Britain after his partner was executed in Iran. When his application was rejected, he fled to the Netherlands, where he was again refused because asylum seekers can apply in only one EU country.
He returned to Britain, and in 2008 Jacqui Smith, then Home Secretary, succumbed to pressure and let him stay.


Also note that: Firouz, 27, came to Britain two years ago as a student, but while she was here the Iranian intelligence services discovered footage of a documentary that she had been making secretly about homosexuals in Tehran.


That is, by the time they found out about her, she was already in Britain.


All from here.


You're awfully careless with someone else's life.

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Careless because i was being critical? sheesh!

Anyhow, i wanted to say something as a reply to this post above, but no need because this issue has been solved already i guess. I just saw this ...

Autodidact said:

Update: She can stay! Good job, everyone who wrote or emailed.

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Peacewise said:

I presume that they need 4 eye witnesses for legal proof the lesbian act happened.

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Islam doesn't prescribe any such punishment for these acts. Some scholars have suggested there should be a light punishment enacted according to the discretion of the judge, such as lashings or a fine etc, to try and bring the girls involved to their senses.

This has been stated by me since the earliest pages of this thread. Not that it did any good, Autodidact is on some mission to claim Islam wants to kill her.

Abu Rashid said:

Islam doesn't prescribe any such punishment for these acts. Some scholars have suggested there should be a light punishment enacted according to the discretion of the judge, such as lashings or a fine etc, to try and bring the girls involved to their senses.

This has been stated by me since the earliest pages of this thread. Not that it did any good, Autodidact is on some mission to claim Islam wants to kill her.

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Not so funny when you're the poor woman they're trying to kill, like the woman in the OP.

Abu Rashid said:

Islam doesn't prescribe any such punishment for these acts. Some scholars have suggested there should be a light punishment enacted according to the discretion of the judge, such as lashings or a fine etc, to try and bring the girls involved to their senses.

This has been stated by me since the earliest pages of this thread. Not that it did any good, Autodidact is on some mission to claim Islam wants to kill her.

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I hear ya, err but, 'light punishment' such as lashings, for a bit of lesbianism, wow, I don't consider lashings a light punishment, nor do I feel nor reason why lesbianism needs any punishment at all.

Well it is a destructive activity, according to Islam, which damages society and it's morality and chasteness. So it has been deemed illegal and liable to punishment. Lashings are not that light, but they have barely ever been used for this particular crime anyway.

Abu Rashid said:

Well it is a destructive activity, according to Islam, which damages society and it's morality and chasteness. So it has been deemed illegal and liable to punishment. Lashings are not that light, but they have barely ever been used for this particular crime anyway.

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Thanks for telling me this, would you care to elaborate on why, according to Islam, lesbianism damages society and its morality and chasteness.

Since it involves submitting to one's deviant desires instead of to a chaste and moral marriage in which Islam views sex to be sacred. But just to keep it in perspective fornication is always punished with lashing, and adultery with execution.

Abu Rashid said:

Since it involves submitting to one's deviant desires instead of to a chaste and moral marriage in which Islam views sex to be sacred. But just to keep it in perspective fornication is always punished with lashing, and adultery with execution.

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Abu, serious question now: are you actually suprised when, or do can you actually see why people are critical of Islam and some of it's practices?

Abu Rashid said:

Well it is a destructive activity, according to Islam, which damages society and it's morality and chasteness. So it has been deemed illegal and liable to punishment. Lashings are not that light, but they have barely ever been used for this particular crime anyway.

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And since it's not destructive in any way, that definitively proves that Islam is just plain wrong.

Abu Rashid said:

Since it involves submitting to one's deviant desires instead of to a chaste and moral marriage in which Islam views sex to be sacred. But just to keep it in perspective fornication is always punished with lashing, and adultery with execution.

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Get it? It's immoral because it's unchaste, and it's unchaste because it's immoral. Crystal clear.

Peacewise said:

I don't consider lashings a light punishment,

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Nor do I. I would hate to see what a 'harsh' punishments would be, short of murder..

Senedjem said:

Where is civil rights for gays and lesbians?

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Yes I'd like to know that as well. I really hope she gets it.

Abu Rashid said:

And honestly, comparing a name to a sexual act is a pretty sad attempt to avoid the topic content.

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The only sad thing I see here is your hatred and bigotry. Disgusting.

Paul Rusco said:

Abu, serious question now: are you actually suprised when, or do can you actually see why people are critical of Islam and some of it's practices?

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I can see why hedonists are critical of it, yes. But amongst the general population Islam is making great progress, I myself being an example of this. People such as me, who have grown up as just ordinary Westerners, are beginning to see the light of where the Western lifestyle and worship of freedom and hedonism leads to, and we are embracing Islam in droves (يدخلون في دين الله أفواج&#1575.

Hardcore hedonists such as yourself though will probably never see the light, and will struggle violently against the truth, until your own iniquity consumes you.