Are you more than what you seem?

She would be awed by ME.

You keep speaking of 'knowledge',
but I have a feeling you mean
"how many books" I've read.

eh.

What I know,
I know mostly by experience.

So whatever.

I would not awe you.
No biggie.
I awe mySelf.

'Studying the Occult'
I have a feeling
means not the same thing
to you and I.

And that is fine.

Our own unique understandings
are part and parcel of what it means
to live out one's own dynamic individuality.
Which IS what it means to live out the LHP.

My identity does not revolve around
what other people say/have said before me.
It is the sum total of what I do and experience.
Most of that is intuitive.

I AM my Own Source.
Sourceheiress/Sorceress.
I Spell and Cast my own Meaning/s.
My Own Word.
But that's me.

UltraViolet said:

She would be awed by ME.

You keep speaking of 'knowledge',
but I have a feeling you mean
"how many books" I've read.

eh.

What I know,
I know mostly by experience.

So whatever.

I would not awe you.
No biggie.
I awe mySelf.

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Books are just a tool Violet that aid in Initiation.

It has nothing to do with anyone else being awed, but rather can you be awed by your current Self? You don't need to awe others...no. I'm hoping we are able to impress ourselves. Screw others opinions.

It pleases me to know that you are awed by your current Self. That takes a lot of work. Good job Violet.

I have a lot to learn, but i know this and it's one hell of a motivator.

Lets start again....

Good Afternoon my fellow Initiates,

I've been doing some thinking about Initiation and which stage i'm in... but not only that but also if i'm in a stage that is intriuging enough. I tried to measure this in so many ways and from just as many angles. So i began to think about those who've intriuged me. During this stage of Initiation we can't only question ourselves but also not dwell on lost time. This is one of my greatest fears...the loss of time.

I sat in my room this morning after my daily invocation and thought to myself, actually questioned myself if whether or not i'm where i should be...behind or ahead. I'm guessing this is natural for anyone with goals, especially LHP oriented.

So, am i more than what i seem? Am i intiuging enough to know? I asked myself...and after thinking about those who inspired me one thing came to mind: If i/you were somebody else, would you have dinner with yourself to talk about this philosophy? Would you have a drink with yourself? Or even buy yourself a drink if you were someone else?

I sat in my chamber and thought...not yet, but i'm certainly getting there fast.

I hope this inspires you to pick up a book or speak with someone greater than you, as it did for me. Are you more than what you seem?

Xeper and refine my dearest friends...time is tickin'

UltraViolet said:

So whatever.

I would not awe you.
No biggie.
I awe mySelf.

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:sad:I'm sorry, but why such an attitude? Have i done something to offend you? If so, it would never had been intentional. and please point it out so i don't make the same mistake? You have a great head on your shoulders Violet and i know this. I don't know where this passive agressive reply stemmed from. But i want to fix it.

This experiment was more rhetoricle, but i'm glad you now understand the question.

Thank you, Valor.

Your artwork intreigued & inspired me greatly.

I would hypothetically buy you dinner and a drink to
see your works in person
and talk about them.

No passive agressive.
For some reason we are not connecting.
I'll leave it alone if you do.

I actually agree with Ultraviolet's sentiment that there is none greater than the self. Some may have skills or qualities you don't possess, but as soon as you consider them to be greater than yourself, you begin to fuel them rather than yourself. Now there's nothing wrong with respecting others, looking to learn from them or even being over-awed by them, but this is very different from considering them "greater". Am I making sense here?

I do agree with you Valor that looking at yourself from an outside perspective is an incredibly useful tool. I've studied body language, tone of voice, suggestion and illusion for several years and while I still have a lot to learn (I'd have it no other way ) I can get a person's interest quite easily.

If I was to meet me however, I'd maybe be a little uncomfortable. It's not everyday I meet somebody else who knows how to manipulate people and I think I'd be able to spot that quality in myself.

Shyanekh said:

I actually agree with Ultraviolet's sentiment that there is none greater than the self. .

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I would agree if you said that there is nothing more "important" than the Self, nothing of "greater means". But there is always a "force" greater. This force can be of knowledge as well.

No worries, i understand exactly where your both comming from.

Shyanekh said:

I do agree with you Valor that looking at yourself from an outside perspective is an incredibly useful tool. I've studied body language, tone of voice, suggestion and illusion for several years and while I still have a lot to learn (I'd have it no other way ) I can get a person's interest quite easily.

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You said it! An incredibly useful tool. exactly what i was aiming toward.

UltraViolet said:

Your artwork intreigued & inspired me greatly.

I would hypothetically buy you dinner and a drink to
see your works in person
and talk about them.

No passive agressive.
For some reason we are not connecting.
I'll leave it alone if you do.

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Thank you for those kind words Violet. I'm glad you enjoyed my Art! Perhaps i'll take you up on that dinner, on me ofcourse. I'm comming to your city in two weeks for a K1 prelim competition.

We are not connecting, only for today, because we are seeing different perspectives concerning personal greatness. But you are great Violet... I would be foolish to think elsewise.

Well, I'm seeing some confusion on identity boundaries in the discussion.

Your identity isn't reducible to what you do in a more practical model. Ever heard of Albert Ellis?

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YouTube - Albert Ellis -- On Guilt and Shame -- RARE 1960 recording

Valor said:

Good Afternoon my fellow Initiates,

I've been doing some thinking about Initiation and which stage i'm in... but not only that but also if i'm in a stage that is intriuging enough. I tried to measure this in so many ways and from just as many angles. So i began to think about those who've intriuged me. During this stage of Initiation we can't only question ourselves but also not dwell on lost time. This is one of my greatest fears...the loss of time.

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I hear ya. I don't like lost time either.

I sat in my room this morning after my daily invocation and thought to myself, actually questioned myself if whether or not i'm where i should be...behind or ahead. I'm guessing this is natural for anyone with goals, especially LHP oriented.

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I know I am not where I want to be with my path. This bugs me, but... I always try to overdo things and do them too fast and with all five feet before I realize I only have two. I have actually tried to do this right and not nearly kill myself jumping in too fast. lol. I also have other obligations, not to mention interests that are not presently getting any of my attention.

So, am i more than what i seem? Am i intiuging enough to know? I asked myself...and after thinking about those who inspired me one thing came to mind: If i/you were somebody else, would you have dinner with yourself to talk about this philosophy? Would you have a drink with yourself? Or even buy yourself a drink if you were someone else?

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I would buy myself a drink. I know I am more than what I seem.

A few years ago I met a beautiful guy in a college class. I have a thing for that grunge style and long hair. This guy was sitting all by himself, had shoulder length hair and was wearing baggy clothes. I totally targeted him. I sat next to him, and realized he had beautiful blue eyes and a sexy face. I somehow struck up conversation with him (I don't know how cause he dam near refused to talk) and somehow landed me a study buddy. When I went to go to his house to study, the dude lived in a mansion. He lived in a dam mansion, driving a new huge nice truck, living with a bunch of hot frat guys (not my type), and... once I saw him out of his baggy clothes, he was abercrombie and fitch model material. He was totally not my type, but he was beautiful so I took advantage of the situation and landed me a cuddle buddy as well. He was quiet and shy and hidden, but he sure ended up being a jerk.

He told me that I was a typical college girl.

O_O

I was like, WHAT?!

----> No more booty for you!!!!!!

So yeah, I am a left hand path girl that owns nine cats, can have sex just for fun (and be nice and patient enough to show the beautiful rookie the ropes around a girls body), enjoys martial arts and belly dancing, pays all my own bills, and... wait wait... I love tattoos and piercings... and I have a good job and an education.

Not to say that any one of those things is not typical, but if you throw it all together I would say that I am your average big hot mess.

I would not have the impression I leave those who do not know me to be any other way. I like being perceived as typical. (It was the way he said that which ticked me off among other things. I think the fact that this came from a preppy frat kid disturbed me as well. lol.).

My brotherly coworker who I have worked with for three years or so describes me as something different every day.

I am: a boy, a hooker, the devil, weird, on drugs, a monk, pretty, a dirty mouth sailor, a scholar, nice, nasty, professional, a space cadet, blonde, etc....

LOL!!!

Whatever. I am me. That is why my religion up there is undercover do-badder. I am whatever I want me to be, and everyone else sees what I want them to see. Only those close to me see me without restraint, and of course, my internet friends do too.



Valor, make yourself what you want yourself to be. When you love what you have made or are making, you are more than what you will ever seem to anyone else, and it is great that way. You will always be making yourself, and you will never be finished, so you have to learn to love the unfinished product at some point in time.

Saint Tigeress said:

I am: a boy, a hooker, the devil, weird, on drugs, a monk, pretty, a dirty mouth sailor, a scholar, nice, nasty, professional, a space cadet, blonde, etc....

LOL!!!

Whatever. I am me. That is why my religion up there is undercover do-badder. I am whatever I want me to be, and everyone else sees what I want them to see. Only those close to me see me without restraint, and of course, my internet friends do too.



Valor, make yourself what you want yourself to be. When you love what you have made or are making, you are more than what you will ever seem to anyone else, and it is great that way. You will always be making yourself, and you will never be finished, so you have to learn to love the unfinished product at some point in time.

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Wonderful post Sweetheart.

You truly are a Left Hand Path Babe.
I would take you out ANY day.
(and then take you home....)

ohhhh... lol! do you do that? :sorry1:

Valor said:

Thank you for those kind words Violet. I'm glad you enjoyed my Art! Perhaps i'll take you up on that dinner, on me ofcourse. I'm comming to your city in two weeks for a K1 prelim competition.

We are not connecting, only for today, because we are seeing different perspectives concerning personal greatness. But you are great Violet... I would be foolish to think elsewise.

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Well... aparantely I am worth a dinner anyway. :beach:

I .... can't.
I can't even talk about my hell life
without weeping.
But thank you for the offer.

Perhaps next year.

UltraViolet said:

Well... aparantely I am worth a dinner anyway. :beach:
I .... can't.
I can't even talk about my hell life
without weeping.
But thank you for the offer.

Perhaps next year.

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Perhaps.