Anti Israel Lies

Sunstone · May 30, 2010

On the whole, the Government of Israel seems to be no better, nor any worse, than the governments of most other nations -- which means, the Government of Israel, like the governments of most nations, is a pretty sleazy operation. So, if you are looking for wrongs done by the Government of Israel, you will surely find them. And if you are looking for wrongs done by other nations, you will surely find them. But if you are looking for much greater wrongs done by Israel than by anyone else, you probably have your work cut out for you.

arimoff · May 31, 2010

Sunstone said:
On the whole, the Government of Israel seems to be no better, nor any worse, than the governments of most other nations -- which means, the Government of Israel, like the governments of most nations, is a pretty sleazy operation. So, if you are looking for wrongs done by the Government of Israel, you will surely find them. And if you are looking for wrongs done by other nations, you will surely find them. But if you are looking for much greater wrongs done by Israel than by anyone else, you probably have your work cut out for you.

Quote: But if you are looking for much greater wrongs done by Israel than by anyone else then you are an anti-Semite

Please anybody don't try to argue with me on this because I would see no other reason why you would be looking for much greater wrongs done by Israel than by anyone else.

Sunstone · May 31, 2010

arimoff said:
Quote: But if you are looking for much greater wrongs done by Israel than by anyone else then you are an anti-Semite

Please anybody don't try to argue with me on this because I would see no other reason why you would be looking for much greater wrongs done by Israel than by anyone else.

The Israeli Government is not the same thing as the Jewish people.

Panda · May 31, 2010

arimoff said:
Quote: But if you are looking for much greater wrongs done by Israel than by anyone else then you are an anti-Semite

Please anybody don't try to argue with me on this because I would see no other reason why you would be looking for much greater wrongs done by Israel than by anyone else.

Rubbish! What difference would it be from looking for the US doing more wrong doings or the UK?

Baydwin · May 31, 2010

Pax said:
Israel was created by European guilt over the Nazi Holocaust.

Not so much a lie as a partial truth. Israel was created by the UN, from land mandated by my country after world WW2. Guilt is a stretch, but it would be naive to say the Holocaust didn't speed things up, after all, the plans for the creation of Israel had existed since the 20's.

Pax said:
Israeli policies are the cause of worldwide anti-Semitism.

Again I think it's naive to believe that Israeli actions haven't harmed their international image. For example, during the 2006 conflict with Lebanon, people I work with who normally have no interest in politics were disturbed by the intensity if Israel's response. No one argued that it was wrong for Israel to defend herself, but the sheer number the airstrikes and clusterbombs used were certainly viewed as unnecessary overkill.

Pax said:
Israel, not Hamas, is responsible for the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza.

Both sides hold some responsibility.

Senedjem said:
The state of Israel shouldn't exist.

Well, it does exist, and it is filled with good, normal people like you or me, many of whom were born there and who have the right to live in the land of their birth.

This statement is unhelpful as it offers no solutions to the problems as they exist now. Israel already exists, what good comes from saying that it shouldn't?

Revoltingest · May 31, 2010

arimoff said:
Quote: But if you are looking for much greater wrongs done by Israel than by anyone else then you are an anti-Semite

Please anybody don't try to argue with me on this because I would see no other reason why you would be looking for much greater wrongs done by Israel than by anyone else.

One needn't be an anti-semite to "look for greater wrongs done by Israel".
Nationalism is a fine explanation for those who are in conflict with Israel.
We see so much of the "anti-semite" card that it loses meaning.

Rainbow Mage · May 31, 2010

So Pax after the latest from Israel- firing on a ship bearing humanitarian aid for the Gazans, do you still think it's all lies and propaganda?

Rainbow Mage · May 31, 2010

Time for everyone to wake up, and my fellow Jews most of all. Israel should not exist. Jews have no right to go take back a land that used to belong to us over 2000 years ago.

Aquitaine · May 31, 2010

Senedjem said:
Time for everyone to wake up, and my fellow Jews most of all. Israel should not exist. Jews have no right to go take back a land that used to belong to us over 2000 years ago.

But it belongs to them now though. I'll admit, there is no such thing as a "right" to any peice of land, but Israel is now home to the Israelis, and any attempts to dissolve the country and kick all the Israelis out will be no better. Israel doesn't have a "right" to exist, but neither does any other country on this planet.

Caladan · May 31, 2010

DeitySlayer said:
. Also, I'm not British, I'm Singaporean.

In that case I would be more tactful, as the Israelis have been instrumental in the creation of the Singaporean armed forces which were in great part molded after the Israeli military and by close Israeli advisory.

arimoff · May 31, 2010

Sunstone said:
The Israeli Government is not the same thing as the Jewish people.

Well try explaining that to a majority.

arimoff · May 31, 2010

Panda said:
Rubbish! What difference would it be from looking for the US doing more wrong doings or the UK?

Exactly, what is the purpose why one would look for more wrong doings from one party then another? simply because he doesn't like that specific party.

arimoff · May 31, 2010

Revoltingest said:
One needn't be an anti-semite to "look for greater wrongs done by Israel".
Nationalism is a fine explanation for those who are in conflict with Israel.
We see so much of the "anti-semite" card that it loses meaning.

Unfortunately we don't just see it from those in conflict and that is a problem thats is growing.

Revoltingest · May 31, 2010

arimoff said:
Unfortunately we don't just see it from those in conflict and that is a problem thats is growing.

When one cannot see reason on the other side, it's sometimes the lack of sight rather than the lack of reason.
There are sound points for detesting Zionism & Israel. The trumpeting of "Anti-Semite!" rings hollow, when
Israel steals land, murders people, uses systematic terrorism, spies on the US, denies humanitarian aid, &
employs apartheid.

Panda · May 31, 2010

arimoff said:
Exactly, what is the purpose why one would look for more wrong doings from one party then another? simply because he doesn't like that specific party.

Or because they believe they have committed greater wrongs.

Rainbow Mage · May 31, 2010

I am so tired of the anti-semite card being played over this Zionism crap. Even against other Jews. Jews get called anti-semites and self-haters if we don't go along with it. Well forget it, I'm not going along with it. If that gets me labeled a self-hater- so be it.

Darkness · Jun 1, 2010

Caladan said:
Well I'm always puzzled at Britons or Americans thinking that Israel-bashing is the new sexy thing to do, while their nations have been sending troops half way across the world on military adventures. usually I don't go and lecture Americans and Britons about the problems their nations create around the world, I'm afraid I've come to the point of not expecting the same courtesy. one thing is for sure, I would not call their nations a 'screw-up'.

I think anyone who believes that one side is "good" and the other "bad," has a serious disconnect from reality. Both sides have blood on their hands, and the civilian population at large is innocent.

Darkness · Jun 1, 2010

Senedjem said:
Time for everyone to wake up, and my fellow Jews most of all. Israel should not exist. Jews have no right to go take back a land that used to belong to us over 2000 years ago.

So all the Jewish people living there should just leave?

Rainbow Mage · Jun 1, 2010

Darkness unless they're willing to treat the Palestinians with more dignity and come to an understanding then yes they should leave.

Tanuki · Jun 1, 2010

Caladan said:
Maybe so. then again sending troops to Iraq and Afghanistan certainly didn't create diplomatic stability either. unlike other nations, Israel has yet to send its troops thousands of miles away from home other than on relief missions.

That's because their troops are too busy killing the Palestinians and British journalists.

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