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scripture to condemn homosexuality
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DreamQuickBook
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Sabio said:
No, I did not. The Bible condemns homosexuality as evil, but that does not mean that you are not responsible for choosing to believe it.
"I don't look down on others, I look up to God", is just a clever way of saying, it is god who looks down on you, not I. You can see how this drives people away, no?
And you would no doubt do whatever he commanded. So were the Jews at the time of Leviticus justified in killing those who engaged in homosexual relationships?Sabio said:
So you are aware that God is not tolerant of Sin, Gay sex or otherwise! But he is tolerant of people, and gives us every opportunity to repent of our sin and receoncile to Him.Deut. 32.8 said:
The scripture you quoted was from the OT, instructions given to Israel, but did you read these?
Amos 5:4
For thus says the LORD to the house of Israel: Seek Me and live;
Matthew 3:2
Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
1Matthew 9:12 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: I desire mercy and not sacrifice.[a] For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.[b]
Mark 1:15
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.
Ephesians 1
Greeting
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,
To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Redemption in Christ
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both[a] which are in heaven and which are on earthin Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[b] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Prayer for Spiritual Wisdom
15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, 18 the eyes of your understanding[c] being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.
22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.
Yes it was. To repeat: were the Jews at the time of Leviticus justified in killing those who engaged in homosexual relationships?Sabio said:
There you go "spinning" my words again.Jocose Satan said:
You apparently do not have any good arguments from the Bible to either prove or disprove your position (what ever that is). So you have resorted to attacking the messenger. Bad strategy, you reveal yourself for what you are.
Now try and state your position please.
Sabio
fromthe heart
Well-Known Member
So are you saying that scripture shouldn't apply to today? I feel that Romans 1 V.22 does begin the process of condemning the act of homosexuality by saying they think they are wise in their judgement but they are in fact just fools who are fooling themselves by thinking God will allow this behavior...if you do these things you ARE removing yourself from God's will for men as well as women....if you don't walk in the will of God you walk in the darkness of sin...the listing of all the unrighteous deeds in V. 26-32 is to say these are all sins God doesn't allow...and when this was opened with the lusts of men and women it is considered in God's eyes as all sin such as those listed afterward in the chapter. To act sexually with same sex is to be filled with all unrighteousness as stated in V. 29corrupt_preist said:
MPO: I feel the scriptures DO comdemn the practice and it does defile the souls of those who do it. V 25 is asking the same thing that is asking today...who changed the truth into a lie...You can't be a Christian in your heart and be a homosexual too. I was offended with the post of the person who said Christians condemn homosexuals for who they are. I have never run into a true Christian who condemned the person themselves just because they despise the sexual act of the homosexuals. Christians SHOULD despise sinful acts of their brothers and sisters so you need to understand just because you see a Christian down on homosexuality it doesn't mean they aren't just as down by murder,adultry,wickedness,fornication,couvetousness...etc. It's all classed as sin. Sin is in every life every day but some sin seems to stand out to us more than other's especially when you see people saying we should just accept it and it will be ok. I won't accept sinful acts...I won't have any part of doing that because to accept it is to be guity of allowing it as stated in Romans 1 V.32
People pick and choose different verses and take it out of contrast from it's meaning as a way to justify the sin in their lives....trust me when we stand before God and answer for our sins I won't add that to MY list!
DreamQuickBook
Active Member
Sabio said:
Arguments from the Bible? I do not argue from the Bible. The Bible is very clear that homosexuality is evil and that homosexuals should be murdered (as was already stated in another post). I understand the Bible clearly enough. I am not attacking you. I am merely pointing out what it is you are doing, what you are saying. I am trying to help you be bold.
Do not hide behind the Bible. Speak from your own heart and mind. In the end, what matters most, is freedom in America and in the West. Regardless of whether or not you think homosexuality is evil or sinful, certainly we should be free to do as we please, as homosexuality does not effect the liberties of others.
And this is an example of God loving the sinner?Sabio said:
Here is what is expected of us under the New Covenant, sealed with Jesus own blood.Deut. 32.8 said:
Mathew 22 36 Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.[d] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.[e] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
Please answer the question asked.Sabio said:
Actually I use the Bible as a foundation and stand upon its principles, so no need to hide behind it...Jocose Satan said:Arguments from the Bible? I do not argue from the Bible. The Bible is very clear that homosexuality is evil and that homosexuals should be murdered (as was already stated in another post). I understand the Bible clearly enough. I am not attacking you. I am merely pointing out what it is you are doing, what you are saying. I am trying to help you be bold.
In the end, what matters most, is freedom in America and in the West. Regardless of whether or not you think homosexuality is evil or sinful, certainly we should be free to do as we please, as homosexuality does not effect the liberties of others.
You seem to have a good understanding and agree that the Bible shows homosexuality to be wrong. But your understanding of judgement as opposed to murder is incorrect. (but that is another topic for another thread)
Sabio
ThisShouldMakeSense
Active Member
one of the stipulations Paul made about removing people from the church or congregation, was that the wrongdoer had to be unrepentant. if one sinned once, one could be removed, or if they sinned repeatedly, one could be removed. however, if the wrongdoer, if a one off or repeated sinner, was sorry and repented, washed clean as it were, then they were acceptable. 1 corinthians 6:9
Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, 10thieves, greedy people, drunkards, abusers, and swindlers--none of these will have a share in the Kingdom of God. 11There was a time when some of you were just like that, but now your sins have been washed away,[c] and you have been set apart for God. You have been made right with God because of what the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God have done for you.
12You may say, "I am allowed to do anything." But I reply, "Not everything is good for you." And even though "I am allowed to do anything," I must not become a slave to anything. 13You say, "Food is for the stomach, and the stomach is for food." This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them. But our bodies were not made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies.
Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, 10thieves, greedy people, drunkards, abusers, and swindlers--none of these will have a share in the Kingdom of God. 11There was a time when some of you were just like that, but now your sins have been washed away,[c] and you have been set apart for God. You have been made right with God because of what the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God have done for you.
12You may say, "I am allowed to do anything." But I reply, "Not everything is good for you." And even though "I am allowed to do anything," I must not become a slave to anything. 13You say, "Food is for the stomach, and the stomach is for food." This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them. But our bodies were not made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies.
So, while loving the 'sinners', He had them burned to death.Sabio said:
DreamQuickBook
Active Member
Sabio said:
What a wonderful god, to say the least. May I ask, for what other behaviors do we sinners deserve such a judgment?
In post #29 you said that you understood the Bible, so I suspect you read it in order to understand it. Sin, judgement, foregiveness through Jesus shed blood, these are all adequetly explained in the Bible, but that is not our topic here. If you want to start a thread on what sins are described in the bible I will be happy to participate.Jocose Satan said:
The good news is that you don't have to receive judgement for any of your sins if you repent and reconcile with God...
Sabio
... and the better news is that, being born late, the servants of YHWH don't have to kill you.Sabio said:
Yep he loved the sinners, but the sinners condemed themselves by making an informed decision to rebel against God and sin, so they were responsible for their own deaths...Deut. 32.8 said:
God loves sinners today as well, that is why His son Jesus came and offered himself as a sacrifice for all sinners, so that we would not receive the just reward for our sin, that through faith in Jesus and His shed blood we could have foregiveness of sin and be reconciled to God.
Duet,
Have you read about that in the NT (foregiveness through Jesus)? Have you considered reconciling with God? Or are you only seeking to accuse God for what you think is unfair on His part?
Sabio