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Book of Mormon is true scripture

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Those who have not read the Book of Mormon need to seriousy read and study it before they turn thier backs! It is scripture just as the Bible is. Written by ancient prophets just like the Bible was. It testifys of Christ and His life just as the Bible does. Why not test it out and and find out for yourself if it is true. Pray about it, just as you should the Bible. Do we all put limits on God and say that he is only capable of having one witness of him. He gave us the Bible why cant he give us another testament of Him. "In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall every word be established". Thats in the Bible. Book of Mormons are free, get one and read it before we all judge.
 

James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
Read it years ago. Hated it, too. Personally I thought it read like exactly what I consider it to be, a nineteenth century work of fiction dressed up in pseudo-Biblical language. Sorry, but that is my considered opinion on the matter.

James
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It's a unified work that can be read cover to cover like a historical novel (and my copy had really cool illustrations!) But I saw no evidence that it was any more true than the holy books of any other religion.
 

James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
Godless Dave said:
I'd hardly call Joseph Smith "ancient".
No, but Mormons believe that Joseph Smith was just the translator, not the author, of the Book of Mormon. Personally, I think that's claptrap, particularly given the language (not to mention the anachronisms) used in the Book of Mormon, but I guess they'd argue that the reason it sounds like a 19th century Protestant version of Scripture is because it was translated by a 19th century man with a Protestant background.

James
 
The funny thing is that it has yet to be "proven" wrong. Since 1830 scholars from all over the world have yet to prove it wrong. And yet the feat of writing such a book has never been tried or even close to being accomplished. That must say something. A unlearned farm boy from the backwoods of vermont with no formal education, with a large family, living in the time period of spread of thousands of religion never could have written a book that changed the WORLD as has the Book of Mormon
 

jimbob

The Celt
angelmoroni said:
The funny thing is that it has yet to be "proven" wrong. Since 1830 scholars from all over the world have yet to prove it wrong. And yet the feat of writing such a book has never been tried or even close to being accomplished.
The sentences should read as follows, "The funny thing is that it has yet to be "proven" wrong. Since 1830 Mormon scholars from all over the world have yet to prove it wrong".

To answer the second part, "And yet the feat of writing such a book has never been tried or even close to being accomplished." What do you mean never tried of accomplished. In case you haven't notices, their are hundreds of thousands (if not more) of books out there that much greater literary works then the BOM.

Where are the golden plates now?
 
Jimbob,
I understand your personal attack on my grammatical errors. I am at work (multitasking) so excuse my errors. Just like everyone esle that trys to fight against the LDS church they all have read one thing here and another there and tend to put that in thier hearts as truth. Do your research, plenty of scholars non-lds have tried and tried to prove it wrong. And if you really think a book as been written with such magnitude if the Book of Mormon please tell me about it. You show me a book that has changed the world as the Book of Mormon has. A book that as changed the lifes along with the bible of 12 million people. A book of over 500 pages of SCRIPTURE that compares to the bible, that testifys of Christ and His ministry, that has a true history of a people that knew about God and His plan. Christ himself said that he had other sheep that were not of "this fold" (speaking of the people in isreal). But we all know that there are thousands of translations of the bible. Which is excactly why we have the Book of Mormon. Where are the "Golden Plates now" a typical persons question that hasnt done any research. Why dont you read the Book and find out where they are. Where are all the transcripts of the Bible? Where is the stone tablets with the 10 commandments?
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Angelmoroni, perhaps you can share a link about all these scholars you speak of. So we can all read.

~Victor
 

blueman

God's Warrior
The Holy Bible provides historical record and biblical prophecy to the end of time (Genesis to Revelation). There was no need for God to ordain additional prophecy to a 19th Century rebel rouser such as Joseph Smith or anyone else for that matter. Those who focus on interpreting prophecy and teaching this doctrine, typically base it on the Word of God and not any other ancillary document. :)
 

Engyo

Prince of Dorkness!
angelmoroni said:
Those who have not read the Book of Mormon need to seriousy read and study it before they turn thier backs! It is scripture just as the Bible is. Written by ancient prophets just like the Bible was. It testifys of Christ and His life just as the Bible does. Why not test it out and and find out for yourself if it is true.
AngelMoroni -

Thanks for the suggestion; however, as I have "turned my back" so to speak on all of the Abrahamic faiths over 20 years ago and become a practicing Buddhist, I don't believe that the Book of Mormon is going to make any difference at this late date. Please understand this isn't meant in disrespect, however.
 
First of all all you have to do is google it and you will find plenty of research on the Book of Mormon. Do you really think any of this really proves it wrong or right. I can show all of you errors in the bible. Does that mean that I dont believe in it? No. I do believe that the Book of Mormon is perfect, just like I believe the teachings of Christ are perfect because thats what the Book of Mormon is. Blue man....Do you really believe that the bible is in perfect chronological order? If you do I would advise you to look again.
 

Kowalski

Active Member
angelmoroni said:
Those who have not read the Book of Mormon need to seriousy read and study it before they turn thier backs! It is scripture just as the Bible is. Written by ancient prophets just like the Bible was. It testifys of Christ and His life just as the Bible does. Why not test it out and and find out for yourself if it is true. Pray about it, just as you should the Bible. Do we all put limits on God and say that he is only capable of having one witness of him. He gave us the Bible why cant he give us another testament of Him. "In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall every word be established". Thats in the Bible. Book of Mormons are free, get one and read it before we all judge.
I have to say, that is just nonsense, Smith was a known charlatan, and petty crook. I was given a copy of this work, and put it down after a few pages, as I had no wish to waste any further time on such clearly fabricated material. What I fail to understand is how on earth anybody was ever taken in by it. Also, this poster is quoting more heresay, really, let's see the proof, I mean how astonishing the tablets vanished, and Smith, could he read and write English, let alone Aramaic. One of the biggest cons in histroy.

Cheers

Kowalski
 

DeepShadow

White Crow
Sheesh, where do I start?! First, angelmoroni, I would not have posted this in a debate thread. A discussion thread would have been more appropriate; here it's just asking for trouble.

Second, Jimbob, I can't speak for angelmoroni, but I think what was being referred to never having been attempted before was not the religious content of the text, but the difficulty of fabricating an ancient document complete with a new and different culture. As Orson Scott Card wrote in "Book of Mormon: Artifact or Artifice?" this would be a fraud of monumental proportions, the likes of which the world has never seen before:

"Writing something that purports to be an artifact of another culture is the most complicated, difficult kind of science fiction, because not only is it about strange things, it must also in itself be a strange thing. And when you have not one but several different narrators with different rhetorical stances, it becomes even more difficult. There are different perspectives, different personalities, and the culture must change across time, so that writers from the culture early on must somehow have differences from writers in that culture later on.
"So we're talking about a very tough project, one which is rarely attempted and which is almost never attempted under circumstances where the author actually tries to pass it off as a genuine document. Even those of us who write science fiction publish it with the word fiction somewhere on the cover. Our name is on it as author, and we expect to get credit for our inventiveness. We don't try to say we found it.
"There is a historical precedent, however. In the 1760's an ancient Scottish poet named Ossian was 'discovered' by a man named James Macpherson, who supposedly translated this work of ancient Celtic poetry which he found. In his own time, his work was taken very seriously as an ancient text. It was an era when people loved the idea of finding ancient manuscripts, especially manuscripts native to the British Isles. When the praised the poems, they praised Ossian, not Macpherson. It was an era when new work was not respected as much as old work, so if you could find a way to put out new work as old work, you'd get much more favorable attention for it. Macpherson was not a particularly good poet--but Ossian supposed came from a more primitive time, and therefore 'his' poetry was remarkably sophisticated for the time it was supposedly written.
"Macpherson produced exactly what people of his time expected or desired ancient Celtic poetry to be. But it also happened to be deeply, hopelessly wrong. It took only a little while before the fraud was exposed. Though most critics accepted Ossian, Samuel Johnson, accused Macpherson of forgery during his lifetime; Macpherson never did refute that charge or provide the originals, yet he remained a Member of Parliament until his death in 1796. Today, of course, the press would have seized upon Johnson's charges and hounded Macpherson to an early grave. It was a more courteous age.
"Today, though, when you look at the works of Ossian you can clearly see that this is the work of an 18th-century British writer. It has nothing to do with what you'd expect to find from an ancient Scottish writer. It's an obvious hoax, good enough only to fool people in a fundamentally ignorant time.
"Joseph Smith's project, if it was a fraud, was far more ambitious than Macpherson's; a much longer, more extensive work, with multiple authors. We're talking about somebody jumping off a cliff here, folks. His work should proclaim itself to be a phony on every page today. This is because every storyteller, no matter how careful he is, will inadvertantly confess his own character and the society he lives in. He can make every concious effort, he can be the best-educated scholar you could possibly find, but if he tries to write something that is not of his own culture he will give himself away with every unconscious choice he makes. Yet he'll never know he's doing it because it won't occur to him that it could be any other way."
I go more in-depth into Card's analysis in the thread on Book of Mormon evidences, where I say, as I'll say here again, that while this stuff is all interesting, it's not the way to get a testimony of the Book of Mormon. Angelmoroni, I'd stay away from evidences and stick to what you said in your original post: that the only way to know the truth is to read the book and pray about it. If someone really wants to argue evidences, any of the things in the above link would be a good place to start, but note that they are in an education-only forum for a reason: they are intended to boost faith, not create it.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
I have a question here. Considering the Book of Mormon supposedly tells the tale of Christ coming to North America and ministering to the Native Americans in a region, please tell me what ever became of those Indians that were exposed to Christ and believed in him? I had asked this of a Mormon in my home before and he told me that the tribe had died out. Now that doesn't make sense to me. What? Was it the Anasazi or something? Even the Anasazi may have "disappeared" there are many signs of proof that some of the tribe moved on to other tribes and integrated their ways, culture, beliefs, artwork, and lifestyle into the newer tribes. Now if that premise is followed then why wouldn't the tribes that were ministered to and converted have brought their new found religion to other newer tribes? And if the second coming of Christ was so important in this land then why would god have allowed his new followers to "die out"? Wouldn't there be the desire that these natives survive and help to spread the word of Christ? However this is not how it has happened has it? Why wouldn't there be more signs of a second coming than a couple tablets dug up and translated in a hat? And why would there be the inclination to believe that one tablet couldn't be translated twice and the other had to be translated and it ironically held the same basic stuff but worded completely different?

These are a few things that I have wondered about for a while and my regular Mormon visitors have yet to be able to explain. Perhaps someone here would like to take a stab at them?
 

jimbob

The Celt
DeepShadow said:
Second, Jimbob, I can't speak for angelmoroni, but I think what was being referred to never having been attempted before was not the religious content of the text, but the difficulty of fabricating an ancient document complete with a new and different culture. As Orson Scott Card wrote in "Book of Mormon: Artifact or Artifice?" this would be a fraud of monumental proportions, the likes of which the world has never seen before:
Actually, such frauds happen all the time. Cult leaders will write books not unlike the Book of Mormon, or the Bible, and call it the holy book to follow. By the way, i have to ask, why do you call it ancient, its not even a couple hundred years old.
 

Kowalski

Active Member
jimbob said:
Actually, such frauds happen all the time. Cult leaders will write books not unlike the Book of Mormon, or the Bible, and call it the holy book to follow. By the way, i have to ask, why do you call it ancient, its not even a couple hundred years old.
Smith was a fraudster, charlatan and no amount of B/S from Mormen is going to change all that. Smith was a cultist, and what do they want these cultists? They want to change their luck by becomming prophets. So, it's a case of give me your money, your women and adoration. Since when did God give his blessings to pologamy, an abomination to any Christian. St Paul would of been horrified by the Mormen.

Jimbob has eyes which see truth, and like me, he ain't afraid to tell it like it is.

K
 

The Black Whirlwind

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I tend to stay away from people who say they're a prophet, or that they're enlightened. Those kind of people are usually in it for money. I'll try reading the book, for all the good it'll do.
 
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