The true key to heaven

With a world of many religions, beliefs, life values, cultures, etc the point of religion can be lost; the concept of God can become confusing, even driving people to madness trying to figure it all out. When we think for example about the religions that believe in the one god theory, they are required to worship god as god has commanded. Now people will worship god, yet commit acts of sin, yet still believe they are good in the eyes of their god. People will do good deeds all their life and never even worship / pray to god, yet are dammed to hell (by religion writings) because they did not worship god. It is a case of you are dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.

But the whole notion is, what dose one have to do to genuinely be allowed to move on after death to the place of peace and bliss? In asking my self this question and going over and over many writings from many religions beliefs, I believe the answer lies in this:

"It is what you do in this world to make it a better place (for all living things plant, animal, and human) and trying to preserve our earth during the course of our life that really matters/counts in the eyes of god, not how many times you pray or worship a god".

My argument is, people pray to god, worship god believing that god will help them and give them a place in heaven. Religions will tell their follower’s god commands this and that is all that counts, even though all around us life and this planet continue to suffer. But god knows this is a generic attempt in the interest of man to secure a place in god’s kingdom, and that it is not of goodness and holiness. People will pray to god and do good deeds because they believe so blindly this will get them a ticket into god’s kingdom, but yet it was not really from the heart, just out of fear of going to hell.

God will certainly give preference over those who sacrifice their lives in the goodness of trying to change the suffering in this world and making it better place for all life and the future. An example of this point is my father who hates religion, thinks it is crap and there is no such thing as god, but as always showed a high degree of welfare and caring to assist other peoples regardless to the sacrifice or inconvenience to his own life. Now does not a person like this deserve a place in god's kingdom, Regardless of ones belief towards a divine power?

I think it is time for the world to stop thinking about religion and realize that religions that focus on submission and doing god deeds to get one a ticket into the afterlife of god’s kingdom should stop. I believe that all religions be abolished in the future and replaced with moral teachings. Most of the world’s ills have been or are created by religious tensions and arrogance. Worry about what is happening now in this point of time, not the future (after death), not the past. The suffering in this world is created by us, and only we can change this. Only through this way will we as people crush the evil and suffering in this world and truly take our place in the kingdom of god or the after life of peace and blissfulness.

I just wanted to give you a super quick response. I'm on my lunch break, so forgive my brevity.
Salvation, (according to the Bible) has nothing to do with me, and everything to do with Jesus (John 3:16). There are those that say it has to do with the good things we do, but I disagree based on the sacrifice of Jesus giving himself. Doing things to earn favor with God is like saying that Jesus died for nothing, and in essence is adding to the work of the cross. Read Romans chapter 8, salvation through grace.
I gotta go, there are many more points I'd love to make, but lunch is over.
for the glory of God, Henry

u sound like u r going in circles. reality is a square, but can, by force, be stretched into a circle, but i tends to go back to a square, after much effort has been expended. think of it as a rubber square.

"It is what you do in this world to make it a better place (for all living things plant, animal, and human) and trying to preserve our earth during the course of our life that really matters/counts in the eyes of god, not how many times you pray or worship a god".



There is a scripture in revelation that seems to say God is going to destroy all those who are destroying the earth. Rev 11-18

Therefore if this is true then what you are saying describes a good attribute.

When I was younger I was determined to leave as small footprint on this planet as possible.

I try to use as little of anything as is appropriate.

Evidently though it takes about 40tons of refined resources to build a computor. This sounds impossible but I read it in an article.

Some people seem to have no idea at all about a need to be moderate in how they use resources.

It was during a time when I was living a simple lifestyle that I had a spiritual experience.

Even now to continue the experience it would be necessary to give up everything I have because possessions need to be maintained and they take much mental and physical attention.

There must be a balance somewhere.

Personally, I agree and disagree with various parts of that statement. Abolishing religion would result in little more than opressing those who wish to keep their beliefs. The idea that you can tell people how to think in order to improve the world is actually rather characteristic of what you wish to be rid of, so really, that idea's out. Besides, a lot of the problems that come from religion can come from other aspects of our lives as well. It's really more the symptom than the problem, if you see what I mean.

I find it rather intersting that you group my religion in here with your...charges? criticisms? I can't quite find the right word. Anyway. Among other things, Judaism's focus has always been much more on this life than on the afterlife (which we're really rather vague about). From my point of view as a Reform Jew, actions are much more important than prayers (which are, however, still important, but not for the purpose of getting to an afterlife, as you imply). I don't believe people who aren't Jewish are damned to hell (among other reasons, I would never damn someone for that, and prefer to believe that no just being ever would), nor that they even need to be Jewish (it's the whole weird "Are we a people or a religion?" thing). So yes, I believe that being a good person is based far more on how you behave than anything else. I agree whole-heartedly there.

Anyway, back to the point I was getting at. Most of the world's ills are caused by humans being humans, just as is most of the good that goes on in the world. Religion just serves as an outlet, often for both. It can intensify both as well, if you think about it. People have done great good and great evil as a result of religion. Just something to keep in mind.

And that was quite the meandering post, wasn't it?

I like a spiritual path that is one of gradual unbelieving. peeling away the layers of false beliefs. I think we may go after death whereever we think we will go. The Tibetan Book of the Dead talks of a period after death where we face what we believed God was. If you saw God as frightening and fearful that's what you encounter after death. It's a matter of removing the masks.

Lightkeeper said:

I like a spiritual path that is one of gradual unbelieving. peeling away the layers of false beliefs. I think we may go after death whereever we think we will go. The Tibetan Book of the Dead talks of a period after death where we face what we believed God was. If you saw God as frightening and fearful that's what you encounter after death. It's a matter of removing the masks.

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Is it right that what you are saying here then is to sort it out now and get the story straight. I tend towards this.
My experience is that rather than peeling away layers it is more like a macedamia nut.
This nut has a green fleshy outer and then the hardest 2nd layer possible before the center.

False beliefs are the green flesh, the hard 2nd layer is the resistant belief in self and then into the center which is the old nature to be demolished.
There is really nothing sweet in the physical.
Actually a life time could be spent making comparisons and decisions about belief and in this sense it is like peeling away layers.

Is true spirituality about transcending the fallible human endeavour and what motivates it?
Then is the best Religion about balancing the human in the endeavour and to hopefully moderate it?

most people have love in their hearts. since God is Love, i'm sure he wouldn't condemn them or his self. Love is expressed by good thoughts and actions. u see people in public doing good things all the time, regardless of their religion or non-religion. that's proof enough.

ya and since gays (much as any other person) have that love, they can be accepted by God into heaven.