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Muhammed on South Park

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footprints

Well-Known Member
The funniest thing in all of this, okay I have a warped sense of humour, is that anybody now who has a personal grudge against Jon Stewart, could go and bump him off, and Muslim extremists would get the blame for it.

Sort of reminds me of the archduke ferdinand affair, and the start of WW1.
 
neves

neves

Active Member
You know what the funny thing is... They already showed Prophet Muhammad (SAW) in an earlier episode when they first debut the "Super Friends"... Guess what.. he wasn't even censored... And guess what... no one made death threats or anything...

This new issue is obviously a setup to get ratings... Lol its funny how some "free speech" advocates get their sword up in arms for thing like this... I find it pointless really...:thud:
 
K

Kerr

Well-Known Member
neves said:
You know what the funny thing is... They already showed Prophet Muhammad (SAW) in an earlier episode when they first debut the "Super Friends"... Guess what.. he wasn't even censored... And guess what... no one made death threats or anything...

This new issue is obviously a setup to get ratings... Lol its funny how some "free speech" advocates get their sword up in arms for thing like this... I find it pointless really...:thud:
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I don´t know, it sounds a bit too conspiracy like for me... maybe... I don´t know, lol.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
neves said:
You know what the funny thing is... They already showed Prophet Muhammad (SAW) in an earlier episode when they first debut the "Super Friends"... Guess what.. he wasn't even censored... And guess what... no one made death threats or anything...

This new issue is obviously a setup to get ratings... Lol its funny how some "free speech" advocates get their sword up in arms for thing like this... I find it pointless really...:thud:
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Perhaps it is "obviously a setup" if you're looking for further reasons to despise Stone & Parker.
But let's presume it is a ratings ploy. If so, then Chesser & RevolutionMuslim.com are part of the plot.
This would mean that Muslims are aiding & abetting those who would mock their prophet. Does
this make sense? Would Stone & Parker create a very real risk of being murdered just for a
possibility their ratings might increase? That seems as unlikely as skimpy dresses causing earthquakes.
 
A

*Anne*

Bliss Ninny
I would be thrilled if this were a ratings ploy.

We'll see what happens on "Draw Muhammed Day".

Is there a preferred spelling?
"Muhammad"?
"Muhammed"?
"Mohammed"?
 
MSizer

MSizer

MSizer
Draka said:
But that's not terrorism. The Koran is laced throughout its pages with passages stating that muslims have a duty to defend islam, and that war is to be waged against apostates, and that those who die in defense of islam will be rewarded with eternal paradise.

That's not terrorism, that's the lunacy of religious doctrine.
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.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
MSizer said:
But that's not terrorism. The Koran is laced throughout its pages with passages stating that muslims have a duty to defend islam, and that war is to be waged against apostates, and that those who die in defense of islam will be rewarded with eternal paradise.

That's not terrorism, that's the lunacy of religious doctrine.
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responding words with guns is not defending Islam

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Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
MSizer said:
But that's not terrorism. The Koran is laced throughout its pages with passages stating that muslims have a duty to defend islam, and that war is to be waged against apostates, and that those who die in defense of islam will be rewarded with eternal paradise.

That's not terrorism, that's the lunacy of religious doctrine.
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It's terrorism. To resort to death threats and actual murders is to terrorize others into obeying that which they don't even believe in. To make people scared to death to say anything which just might set them off.

As .lava said: "responding words with guns is not defending Islam"

All they end up doing is attacking Islam themselves by presenting not a religion of peace, but a religion of terror. A religion of oversensitive violent zealots. As it is said, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". Well, these radical Muslims, though few in number, become the loudest thing out there and present themselves as "true" Muslims defending Islam. This overshadows the Muslims that do not act out violently. The ones who do live in peace. The majority of non-Muslims are then exposed more to Muslims like the radicals and less to Muslims like .lava. Thus they don't defend Islam at all...they are outright attacking that which they think they are defending.
 
Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Draka said:
Biggest common sense question...If certain Muslims don't like what's being portrayed then why bother watching it? No one's asking them to watch it. If they can't handle jokes and criticism then they don't need to watch a program that does it on purpose.
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I highly doubt any muslim offended by South Park actually even watches it. This type of inconsistency is common among people who enjoy being offended.
 
MissAlice

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
I find South Park funny even when I'm being "offended", I don't see how a show like that could exactly offend though. Really that's all what South Park is about, satirical mimicry. They do it to everyone, I don't see why Islam should be the exception but that's just my opinion.
 
Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
It's interesting how out of the long list of various peoples, groups, religions, etc. they've made fun of, the only one to threaten them with death is muslims. I guess we must be working with different definitions of "peaceful."
 
no-body

no-body

Well-Known Member
If you feel so threatened by how your beliefs are portrayed, then you must have pretty flimsy beliefs. I still find the argument by even the most level headed Muslims to be dangerous to free speech, if someone is killed or threatened they might think that's unIslamic but they still believe that making fun of their religion requires consequences. Sorry but this is not what free speech is about, that it bothers you so much means you are probably in the wrong.

By the way I hate Southpark and I think Matt and Trey are insufferable ******* but like with the scientology episodes I agree with their sentiment on this... too bad comedy central copped out and cut out their speech on how you lose the basis of freedom when you give in to fear and threats.
 
.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
atotalstranger said:
It's interesting how out of the long list of various peoples, groups, religions, etc. they've made fun of, the only one to threaten them with death is muslims. I guess we must be working with different definitions of "peaceful."
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when will you realize it is just a kind of mind set that's owned by any human from anywhere and not just some Muslims? is the democracy USA brought to Iraq same with the democracy you actually experience in USA?

Muslims are not commanded to attack and kill people who mocks Islam or anything related. we are not commanded to scare people either. but it is a common and also very pathetic strategy when it comes to men specially, to scare people so that they feel more powerful.

4:140 And indeed He has revealed to you in the Book that when you hear Allah's communications disbelieved in and mocked at do not sit with them until they enter into some other discourse; surely then you would be like them; surely Allah will gather together the hypocrites and the unbelievers all in hell.

let alone killing the mocker, this verse clearly shows we can even talk with people after they stop mocking but we are not allowed to join with them as long as they make fun of things that we value. and this is not religion of peace? really?

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Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
.lava said:
let alone killing the mocker, this verse clearly shows we can even talk with people after they stop mocking but we are not allowed to join with them as long as they make fun of things that we value. and this is not religion of peace? really?
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I don't know. I do know they haven't received any death threats from Christians, Catholics, Mormons, Scientologists, Hindus, Atheists, Homosexuals, or Crab People though.
 
.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
atotalstranger said:
I don't know. I do know they haven't received any death threats from Christians, Catholics, Mormons, Scientologists, Hindus, Atheists, Homosexuals, or Crab People though.
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maybe those you name here, has always been elements of the same society for long time, they all existed and still do exist together. Muslim nations, their public and culture were divided from your public for centuries and now worlds are colliding. or maybe Muslims are so oppressed and helpless and some of them find pleasure in giving fear to people because their voice is heard only when they are violent and scary. or some Muslims do not know their relgion very well or maybe they don't know how to respond certain attitudes because they never experienced such a thing before. or maybe they just think they are doing the right thing. or maybe they know it very well they are damaging Islam and it is their real intention to do so because they are not really Muslims. how should i know? i am here for religion itself. if you make a claim about Islam then i would provide you verses from Qur'an to make you see what Islam really teaches

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Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
.lava said:
if you make a claim about Islam then i would provide you verses from Qur'an to make you see what Islam really teaches

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I suppose this is the fundamental difference in our views. I see religion defined by, and a reflection of, the people who currently practice it. All religions evolve - and interpretations of scripture change over time. So, the most accurate definition of what any religion is currently, is the views, perceptions, and practices of the people who claim to follow that religion. I don't care what any particular piece of scripture says - if the people who practice the religion do something else, then that is what the religion is for all practical purposes.
 
MSizer

MSizer

MSizer
.lava said:
responding words with guns is not defending Islam

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Really? Then explain to me why nearly 69% of Muslim Palestinians and 48% of Muslim Nigerians polled think that suicide bombing is at least sometimes justified? I'd also love to know why Iran, the highest scorer in 2002, at 79% aren't shown below. How many Jains or Budhists purposely kill themselves with the intention of trying to bring as many infidels with them as possible? The reason they don't is because the tenets of their faith are not ambiguous against violence. They oppose it. The writers of the Koran simply did not.

Table of Support for Suicide Bombing in 2009 - Pew Global Attitudes Project Key Indicators Database
 
Eliot Wild

Eliot Wild

Irreverent Agnostic Jerk
.lava said:
. . . i am here for religion itself. if you make a claim about Islam then i would provide you verses from Qur'an to make you see what Islam really teaches

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According to one of the Muslims interviewed by CNN in those newstories another poster graciously provided, the Qur'an indicates that Allah instructs Muslims to "terrorize the unbeliever". He then backed off a bit and said that he thought terrorism should be used to stop infidels from stealing Islamic resources, killing Muslims and raping their women, or something like that.

But he originally stated this was a command from Allah in the Qur'an. The follower of Islam stated that if you go strictly by the original Arabic translation, then it says that Allah commands his followers to terrorize the infidel.

Is this true? Because if it is true, that certainly doesn't sound peaceful to me.

If it isn't true, then the problem is there are many extremists out there who have misinterpreted the Qur'an. Do you, as a moderate or peaceful Muslim, feel any responsibility to stop others from committing violence in the name of Allah?
 
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