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60 percent of Americans support raising taxes on households with incomes over $250,000

dust1n

Zindīq
The House Ways and Means committee is beginning to debate whether to let the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy expire at the end of this year.

There will be the usual carping about how this would hurt the economy, punish the successful, kill the geese that lay the golden eggs. But some of the geese think it’s a good idea.
It’s not surprising that 60 percent of all Americans support raising taxes on households with incomes over $250,000, according Quinnipiac University poll.

What’s curious is some of the people who will pay these higher taxes also agree. The Quinnipiac poll reveals that 64 percent of those with incomes over $250,000 support the tax hike. This is echoed by the unusual voices of retired CEOs, current business leaders and small business owners, many of them affiliated with Wealth for the Common Good, a network concerned about tax fairness that I co-founded.

They don’t sound like they’re fomenting class warfare. If anything, they are waxing poetic and patriotic.

“I hope Congress has the courage to let my tax cut expire,” wrote Gene Mulligan, an investment manager from Alexandria, Va., in a syndicated column. “Our nation has built a remarkable marketplace for enterprise and wealth creation. Taxes paid for the public investments in research, education, infrastructure and technology that made this possible. They paid for law enforcement and orderly marketplaces. These public investments buoyed my personal opportunities and wealth. I am certain they have done the same for millions of other Americans.”

Arul Menezes, a principal architect at Microsoft, wrote in an op-ed for that was published in The Cleveland Plain Dealer that the meritocratic system and infrastructure that made his entrepreneurial success possible is eroding. “Our investment as citizens in our collective “commons” lays the foundation for our individual wealth and success. Taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized and healthy society. Those of us who have disproportionately benefited from public investments have a responsibility to pay back our society so that others can have similar opportunities.”

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According to a new report from Wealth for the Common Good, Shifting Responsibility, the wealthy have received massive tax cuts not just under President George W. Bush, but for decades before. Since 1960, the share of household income that middle class households paid in federal taxes has increased slightly, from 15.9 to 16.1 percent. But America’s wealthiest taxpayers have seen their tax outlays, as a share of income, drop by almost half. The top 1 percent of taxpayers, those with incomes starting at $2 million, saw the share of income paid in federal taxes decline from 60 to 33.6 percent between 1960 and 2004.

During President Bush’s eight years in office, Congress expanded tax cuts to Americans with incomes over $250,000. We had to add another $700 billion to the national debt to cover them.
New Voices for Taxing the Wealthy « SpeakEasy







Do you think Congress has the cojenas to make it happen?
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I'd like to see the members of Congress have the kahunas to vote in higher taxes for themselves. And since most of them make well over $250,000 a year, we'll see how it plays out.

My issue all along has not been that we don't need to re evaluate some tax cuts and shelters for the uber wealthy. My stance has been that I don't believe that those making between $100,000 and $250,000 are going to escape significant tax increases.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
I'm exhausted with how the income tax system has constantly been susceptible to abuse in the hands of our representatives. Taxing this crowd of mostly professionals will just further discourage involvement in the medical or engineering sectors, two highly volatile fields. Why on Earth are there not higher income brackets?

We don't really need higher taxes, just better spending schemes.
 
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dust1n

Zindīq
I'm exhausted with how the income tax system has constantly been susceptible to abuse in the hands of our representatives. Taxing this crowd of mostly professionals will just further discourage involvement in the medical or engineering sectors, two highly volatile fields. Why on Earth are there not higher income brackets?

We don't really need higher taxes, just better spending schemes.

I agree - change some pretty pivotal points in spending, and we could pretty much save our selves and our economy from deconstructing.

I'm not sure why the limit was 250k (I thought the last tax bracket didn't start until 400k), but that is an interesting point, though.. I was doing a bit of math...

"The millionaires’ club in the U.S. grew by 16 percent in 2009, following a 27 percent decline in 2008.

Families with a net worth of at least $1 million, excluding primary residences, rose to 7.8 million in 2009, an increase from 6.7 million a year earlier, according to a survey of high- net-worth U.S. households conducted by Spectrem Group.


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While the number of American multimillionaires rose last year, Americans continued to suffer from the Great Recession. The unemployment rate reached double digits, millions of Americans lost their homes, and wages for most workers stagnated. The United States is unique among industrialized countries in its enormous income inequality. Data from the U.S. Department of Labor shows that if income inequality continues to rise at the current rate, the income gap in the United States “will resemble that of Mexico by year 2043


Think Progress » Number of millionaires in America increased 16 percent in 2009.



However, even if we just taxed millionaires an additional 10 percent, we would be looking at 780 billion extra dollars to use.. if used on education and civics projects, we might start looking in the opposite direction in this whole recession; but they have to the public projects. No profit.. pay the workers, finish the work.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Kahuna is a Hawaiian word for "sorcerer" or "magician." It also has morphed to mean "big gun" or "big dog" in English.

Cojones is Spanish for testicles.

Just to clarify.
 

Gunfingers

Happiness Incarnate
I'm sorry, but it's not possible that the misunderstanding was on my end. It just doesn't happen.

This line works better if you imagine me saying it in the voice of HAL 9000 from Space Odyssey: 2001.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Nothing like raising taxes on people making $250,000 year and killing off the rest of the upper middle class. Hell, if we can't farm out their jobs to China, we can at least tax them to death.
 

Ciscokid

Well-Known Member
It'd be great if the average Joe would pay a little federal taxes too. Quite a few folks actually get back more then what they put in...they essentially get a welfare check. Let's implement a system that is more fair all the way around.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
It'd be great if the average Joe would pay a little federal taxes too. Quite a few folks actually get back more then what they put in...they essentially get a welfare check. Let's implement a system that is more fair all the way around.
I paid federal and state taxes, and got a refund check because I paid more than what I am required to. Actually, I have extra money taken out each pay check to make sure I am over the amount required so I do not end up owing at the end of the year.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
It'd be great if the average Joe would pay a little federal taxes too. Quite a few folks actually get back more then what they put in...they essentially get a welfare check. Let's implement a system that is more fair all the way around.

Hmm? Most citizens are susceptible to payroll, sales, and (in/directly) property taxes that take a larger bite out of their income than what the income tax 'gives' back. Why be frustrated at the poor when they don't have the opportunity to save, compound interest, get quality credit, and pay off loans as fast? Yes, the middle class is in a pinch, but that's no fault of the working poor. How many federal representatives made less than $30,000 a year prior to their nomination?
 
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Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
49 percent of Americans pay NO federal income tax whatsoever.

So it's no surprise that 60 percent of Americans support raising the taxes on the wealthy. That gets the monkey off their back. Let someone else pay.

By the way - the payees whose taxes are being raised are not just the guys making over $250,000 a year. My husband and I make far less than that, and though we pay in more than is required all year long, we still have to cut a check every April 15th and pay in more.

If we hadn't bought a house this year, we would have had to send in over twice as much this year as we did last year - and this was after I took a SIGNIFICANT pay cut of over $20,000 a year simply in order to drop us into a lower tax bracket.

This year was the first year in at least a decade that we got anything back, and that was only because of the First Time Home buyer's Credit and the Make Work Pay credit. Wait, come to think of it, I haven't gotten that check yet, so the jury's still out. Maybe we DO still owe money and we just don't know it yet.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Hmm? Most citizens are susceptible to payroll, sales, and (in/directly) property taxes that take a larger bite out of their income than what the income tax 'gives' back. Why be frustrated at the poor when they don't have the opportunity to save, compound interest, get quality credit, and pay off loans as fast? Yes, the middle class is in a pinch, but that's no fault of the working poor. How many federal representatives made less than $30,000 a year prior to their nomination?

Cisco Kid said "Average Joe" - not the poor.

Like I just said, 49% of Americans do not pay ANY federal income tax. 49% of Americans are not living below the poverty line.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
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Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.

Walkntune

Well-Known Member
60% of Americans support raising taxes on households with incomes over $250,000

Don't worry inflation will cover it! Man the rich and the Govy are so good at this game.They love leading the cattle!
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Do you honestly mean that you can look around at US citizens and claim that 49% are POVERTY STRICKEN?

Or are you just put out that they aren't holding MORE wealth than they have earned or inherited?
If you are married, have two children, and make $30,000 a year, you are not in the poverty margin by the government standards, but by standards of living, you are poverty stricken.
 

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
EGTRRA and JGTRRA (the Bush Tax Cuts) did give some tax relief to the Middle-class. For example, before JGTRRA the marginal income tax bracket between $27,950 - $67,700 was 27 percent. After JGTRRA, the bracket shifted to 25 percent between $28,400 - $68,800. It would be unfair to President Bush to purport that his tax cuts did not help the middle-class. That is not to say that his policies were good or that we did not lose an entire decade of potential jobs/wage growth.

What we should be doing is lowering the tax brackets for low- and middle-income individuals and families (or keeping the cuts of EGTRRA and JGTRRA) and raising taxes for high-income individuals and families. Like GeneCosta said, we need a more gradient scale (i.e. more marginal tax brackets). Our highest, currently, is $311,950+. Additionally, when the United States was faced with paying down the debt, it incured after the Great Depression and World War II, the highest marginal tax rate was set over 90 percent.

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