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Guns are good?

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Seyorni said:
Well, Michel -- you certainly walked into this one. Predominantly Yanks on this board, and you know how we love our guns..

Seriously, though, and speaking as a non-gun owning, pacific, vegan hippie sort of guy, I have to bow to the statistics. It's not gun ownership, per se which causes problems. It's a cultural thing. Canadians own as many guns, per capita as Americans, but gun violence is nowhere near comparable. And those American jurisdictions that have required residents to possess a firearm have seen a significant decrease in violent crime.

It's all very perplexing....
I did so, voluntarily, Seyorni.

If I can stop one person in the world from carrying a gun in my life, I will have achieved something great.;)
 

Melody

Well-Known Member
michel said:
askewed; http://www.police999.com/stats/crime2003-02.html was the source of the info. Phew; good luck to you!:)
I just love statistics. If I read this correctly, somehow they've decided that about half of the original homocides are no longer homocides. Well, that's one way of cutting the number of homocides.

Exactly why were almost half of these reassigned?

I'm trying to gather stats for the U.S. It is not easy :bonk: . Our homocide rates go down drastically if you eliminate criminals killing other criminals. Some would say that's not a crime. Let's see if I can skew our stats like the UK does. :D
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Melody said:
I just love statistics. If I read this correctly, somehow they've decided that about half of the original homocides are no longer homocides. Well, that's one way of cutting the number of homocides.

Exactly why were almost half of these reassigned?

I'm trying to gather stats for the U.S. It is not easy :bonk: . Our homocide rates go down drastically if you eliminate criminals killing other criminals. Some would say that's not a crime. Let's see if I can skew our stats like the UK does. :D
That frazzled my brain for a while - I think the changes of catoegories are from a) the first assessment, b) the resulting proof - variables such as those - but just take the first figutre - it is the biggest-I'll let you off - Maybe Pah can decypher the table - he's clever, not like me!:D
 

john313

warrior-poet
I saw a funny t-shirt that said: "Mass murderers agree, Gun control works" and it had pictures of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.
if no one had guns that would be great, but as long as a gun exists in the hands of an unrighteous person, others will need them for protection from evil.
 

Fluffy

A fool
Just out of interest, what size of weapon would you find acceptable to make legal? I used to be pro gun as well but now I find myself waivering. Surely the arguments behind guns not being illegal could easily be applied to automatics or explosives. Where should we draw the line? What is an acceptable level of weaponry in a home environment?
 

john313

warrior-poet
I do not see any immediate need for explosives or automatic weapons.
of course if we need to defend ourselves(which is why i think we should have guns) and the attackers have automatic weapons it could be harder to do.
criminals and terrorists tend not to follow restrictions on guns.
a single firearm, .40 caliber handgun or any pump/semi-auto shotgun would be sufficient for home protection in most cases.
however, if the we turn into a police state and the military takes over for whatever reason, then it would be the "paranoid whackos" with the huge stash of weapons that could save us.
 

Voxton

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There was a terrible tragedy in Japan a few years ago, when some deranged man stabbed several children to death. I remember this jerk making some flippant remarks about outlawing knives, and 'knives don't kill people, people do' etc... He was universally booed.

But I seriously did hear that someone made a call, in Britain, to outlaw chef knives -- or demand that they should only be sold with very dull points. Jezzzz. Full circle, baby.
 

Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
Guns can be good as it gives everyone the chance to protect themselves, especially the weak. While the end result is the same, death, it is at the very least your survival and someone else's death, which in the end is what we all care about; our own survival.
 

Melody

Well-Known Member
Heard a news report on the radio this morning. A man walked up to a woman and pulled a gun on her demanding her purse or he'd shoot her. She pulled a gun out of her purse, pointed it at his head and told him they were both going to die then. The robber ran away.

Yes, this could have ended in a tragedy...but it could have as well if she didn't have a gun.
 

Melody

Well-Known Member
My mother sent this to me this morning and I just had to share. I've posted it here since these are actual statistics (yes, I've checked)...

Doctors:
(A) The number of physicians in the
U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
-- Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.


Guns:

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. Yes, that's 80 million.
(B) Accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.
-- Statistics courtesy of FBI



So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR!

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!

Out of concern for the public at large I've withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Melody said:
My mother sent this to me this morning and I just had to share. I've posted it here since these are actual statistics (yes, I've checked)...

Doctors:
(A) The number of physicians in the
U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
-- Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.


Guns:

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. Yes, that's 80 million.
(B) Accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.
-- Statistics courtesy of FBI



So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR!

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!

Out of concern for the public at large I've withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.
Melody, I cannot help but smile ruefully at the statistics you have provided - because unfortunately my experience of statistical data has led me to be a bit wary.........

"Accidental gun deaths per year" you quote; however does that figure mean what it says - deaths caused by ACCIDENT by the use of a gun? Does that figure actually reflect the number of deaths/year by INTENTIONAL gunshot wounds?

Also, has it occured to you that people go to the doctor because they are sick (maybe very badly so) and have died on an operating theatre table - admittedly, by some accidental act by a doctor ?

Those who are shot do not ask to be put in the position of being shot; when we undergo surgery, we know that there is a danger........

Statistics could probably be said to be a danger the wrong hands............:)
 

Melody

Well-Known Member
michel said:
Statistics could probably be said to be a danger the wrong hands............:)
Yep...I know. That's what I keep telling people in other threads. This was just a good example. :D

Hey admin.....we really need a smilie for <evil grin> because I really needed one here.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Melody said:
Yep...I know. That's what I keep telling people in other threads. This was just a good example. :D

Hey admin.....we really need a smilie for <evil grin> because I really needed one here.
OoooooooooH you naughty Girl!!:p
 
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