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Who the hell is Lord Egan?

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Adramelek

Setian
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I've heard of this organization known as "The First Church of Satan" run by a guy who calls himself its High Priest and goes by the names "Lord Egan" and "John D. Allee". I do know that he used to be an Adept II* in the Temple of Set, but left to form his own group. He seems like a very dubious character, does anyone know anything further about him and/or his background?

/Adramelek\
 

Kori Houghton

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Egan was before my time on usenet, and I never had any interaction with him. I recall seeing a bunch of posts about him and his org on usenet while browsing the Google archive. But everything on usenet has to be taken with a cavern of salt.

I'm sure you can contact him yourself, Adramelek, with any questions you may have about his work or his recollections of the history of Satanism in the late 20th Century. I just checked, and the First Church of Satan still has an active website. I am not sure now what your question is, and why you are asking it here?

Seriously, Egan can actually write intelligently. But he is yet another male seemingly consumed by the life-long desire to lead some kind of quasi-Satanic New Age Movement :shrug: with a commentary upon LaVey and/or the Church of Satan at its core.
 
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Adramelek

Setian
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I'm sure you can contact him yourself, Adramelek, with any questions you may have about his work or his recollections of the history of Satanism in the late 20th Century. I just checked, and the First Church of Satan still has an active website. I am not sure now what your question is, and why you are asking it here?

I saw the FCoS website and was wondering who the hell this guy was. I wasn't sure if he was a joke or not. But as I kept reading his stuff on that site it turned out, yea, this guy's a joke and some kind of wanna'be Magus. He and his "church" aren't even close to being in the same league as the Temple of Set or even the Church of Satan. Oh well, just another one of a thousand joker wanna'be sorcerers out there. At least from what I can tell. Anyway, thanks for the info you guys.:)
 
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WingsofLeather

Lord Egan
Before turning to second hand information, I suggest people seek the truth about me themselves. I have over one thousand subscribers on YouTube as "RevJohn" and 95% of my feedback is positive. Also, my FAQ on the Allee Shadow Tradition website dared to provide answers that many so-called Satanic groups tend to avoid. I'm a published author (search Amazon) and still appear on radio, television, discussing Satanism and a variety of other topics.
 

WingsofLeather

Lord Egan
Do you worship evil?

You can not even define evil without discussing what is good. Therefore, the two are inseparable. One can not understand darkness without experiencing light. One cannot appreciate day, without having night. Opposites compliment, define and complete one another. To destroy all evil in the world means there would be no good left to appreciate, therefore the Shadow Dweller does not worship or disrespect either quality! We value ourselves and nature instead and venerate opposition in balance!
The definition of good and evil is subject to change because it exists only as a perception. "Evil" is a label we assign according to our mood swings to those who are politically incorrect. The ascended masters of Eastern Philosophy become the fallen angels of Western Philosophy. One man's "demons" are another man's "saints." Theologians create gods and devils in man's image, then conflict between them to divide the heart and conquer the soul! They pit spirit against matter, then appoint themselves position of supreme arbiter, divine interpreter of right and wrong, good and evil.
"Good" are the things we like. "Evil" are the things we dislike. It often depends on who or what you are. As Diane Vera says, if you're a mouse, cats are evil, but to the pet owner, cats are heavenly. Therefore, evil is not an essence - it is a value judgment. From a Christian point of view, Satan is "evil." Shadow Dwellers are truth seekers who desire to peek behind such labels.
Of course, there are certain ethical wrongs, but they are set by a society or culture so that all can live harmoniously. Examples of these would be thieving, disrespectful behavior and killing or abusing an innocent.
A chief attribute of the trickster god is the role of Devil's Advocate. The Shadow Dweller illustrates "opposition in balance," wielding contradiction like a scalpel in the hand of a skilled surgeon. Our objective? Closure to this unnatural dichotomy, this madness you call "good and evil." Bringing flesh and spirit together. The establishment of a New World Order, free of guilt, self-loathing and shame, where every man and woman is the god of his or her own life. We look upon religion as the starter of wars and the breeder of hate and intolerance. We believe that people are intelligent enough to instill moral and ethical codes into a societal structure without a threat of an imaginary supernatural being wreaking havoc on an offender.

Are God and the Devil enemies?



Some religions certainly pit the two together in a constant battle of good versus evil, while others seem to illustrate it as a tension that keeps the universe in balance. It is curious that these same religions claim to have "one god." Islamic fundamentalists and Christians define themselves as monotheists, but practice dualism; they imagine a devil opposed to the creator, but creation cannot be divided against itself. If the devil physically exists, then God exists.
Here is another concern. If God created Satan, then God is Satan. You cannot create something unless it is a manifestation of your own will. How can you make a computer if you don't know how? You would have to base it on knowledge of that computer, or in this case, God's knowledge of "evil." So, God is evil. If God created hell, he'd have to know about eternal torment, meaning God is tormented. If God created humans, and humans are imperfect, God is imperfect. Christians blind to reason should refer to Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Do you believe in a personal god or devil?


Not necessarily. You see, individual perception is everything. Each one of us is the center of a Universe. And if your Universe is an atheist one, then FOR YOU a deity really doesn't exist. On the other hand, if you believe in Allah, Vishnu, Yahweh, Satan or whatever.. then FOR YOU a deity really does exist. The self-assumed delusion becomes one's operational and functional personal reality. We create gods in our own image from a force within our psyche and the universe tends to mirror back what individual consciousness projects upon it. This is the whole idea behind co-creationism. It's that simple and that difficult to understand. Personal reality is NOT a one-size-fits-all situation.​

Is Satanism a negative, destructive force in the world today?


The result of manifesting something in your life can be pleasant or catastrophic. In this case, it all depends on how the individual relates to this dark figure. Do you believe in a Devil who was a heroic symbol for some during the Middle Ages, liberating the serfs from the shackles of slavery to an oppressive Church system? If you attach yourself to this hero figure, that will be reflected in your life - you may even become a positive role model for others. But if you follow the current Hollywood trend and worship a nasty Devil who rebels against everyone, chances are, you will become the thing you worship: an outcast - someone who can't work or play well with others - in other words, a loser.​

Is Satanism a valid path?


The validity of a spiritual or philosophical path, can only be weighed and determined by the individual because we are essentially dealing with relative truths. If you were to rephrase the question and ask if I believed Satanism helps one to excel, again I would state that it depends on how the individual relates to various aspects of the philosophy and what it reveals to them. People look for a symbol or metaphor to attach blame or praise, but much has to do with the will and intent of the individual responsible and the way in which these symbols are interpreted.​

Do you believe in two realities?


Yes. The Objective Universe is the one we all share, and it cannot be modified or colored by our own personal views, bias or prejudices. It is the world of solid form - one that can be weighed, measured or analyzed with scientific apparatus. In this world, certain observations can be made with "absolute" certainty.​
The Subjective Universe is the one that exists between your two ears. It is the reality you PERSONALLY perceive, arising from conditions within the brain or sense organs and not directly caused by external stimuli. This world is modified or affected by personal views, experience or background. Observations are made with "relative" certainty. It is sometimes said to be an illusory world, because it is affected by your state of consciousness.​
The Subjective Universe is a place where thoughts and ideas can and do take form. And when these ideas are focused upon and infused with power from your own consciousness, anything can happen. This is a Universe inhabited by Satan, Jesus, the Easter Bunny, Father Christmas, Saint Peter and the Tooth Fairy... all as "real" or "unreal" as you want or need them to be. This is the place where magic comes from - the place that provided the dream landscape whereupon Einstein concluded E=mc². It is a world where anything is possible.​

Is the Devil all about repressed thoughts and desires?

Certainly, throughout history, we have seen that people believe that the devil is responsible for thoughts and actions considered "evil" and "wicked." This would include alternative sexual lifestyles, radical beliefs, or anything that is not what could be considered a societal norm.​
When Founder John Allee was featured in a Boston weekly entertainment newspaper, he found himself contacted by a lot of transvestites - men who were fond of wearing women's clothes. At first, this confused him, because he could not understand why they would have any interest or feel a connection to what he had to say about Satanism. What he found is that the devil often represents repressed thoughts and desires; those things we never want anyone to know about or that we are ashamed of in our lives. The devil represents those characteristics within ourselves that we find undesirable - that we would rather shove into one corner and totally ignore. Some of these naturally should be explored, others are best given an alternative outlet.​
Our question to you as a Satanist is, "Do you really think it is wise to repress thoughts and desires? When a person goes for psychological counseling, they are attempting to focus on certain memories or experiences locked away in the shadows and bring them out into the light where they can be examined. This is why I tell people they should not fear the devil, but attempt to look beyond good and evil in their search for the truth."​
 

WingsofLeather

Lord Egan
As I gaze through this forum, I am reading comments from individuals who are actually breaking the rules of the terms of service here on Religious Forums. RE: "Fat Man" "Fat Wife" "Insane" "Lard Egan"

I suggest that you young people learn to behave in a civil manner, instead of viciously gossiping about people behind their backs.
 

Kori Houghton

Restricted
John -- if you're reading this, I added the tags to this thread in hope you would find it and respond. If you want to be known for your take on Satanism, LHP, or Magic, you have to interact. I mean, Aquino is still hanging out wherever he can find newbs so he can tell them about how he knew LaVey. The same anecdotes for over 2 decades now, he has set the bar very low. See if you can do better ;)
 
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I didn't realize he was reminiscing for 20 years lol. He has left the 600 club.
His entire contribution to that place was to plug his tired e-book and gain converts to his particular strain of theism through his repeated and pointless(abe simpson anyone?) revisionist tales of how he remembers things. I enjoyed calling him on his ******** whenever possible, and would like to think I contributed to his vacating that particular bit of web space. Not that that site is particularly interesting anymore, anyway, but that guy was a douche.

Now we have Allee..the man that made a career out of being buthurt by Anton LaVey. Lets see how this one turns out. :)
 

WingsofLeather

Lord Egan
I am certainly not trying to appeal to a "Satanic Subculture." You know very little about me and I'm not about to regurgitate the last 40 years of my life to explain where and what my position is to Satanism today. If you must know the truth, my personal philosophy is closer to Buddhism and Hermetics - achieving BALANCE - in fact, that is where the SHADOW idea came from. But go right ahead... continue to twist my words while my opinion of you grows less and less.

Like I said, I don't have the time to educate you. I've been in and out of the hospital three times since October, but I've miraculously survived advanced cancer and more, despite dire predictions from my doctors. It's sad you know so little about me. But that doesn't stop you from acting childish - hurling insults. That's why you remind me so much of the vast majority of "Internet Satanists" who love to sharpen their insults, as if it proves they possess some kind of wit or superiority.

Anyone with half a brain will notice your attacks on me are vague and non specific. I actually read in one post where someone accused me of saying something I never said and making wild assumptions as to why I was critical of the Church of Satan. But still you ramble on and on, knowing very little about me and what my intentions really are. And now you accuse me of senile dementia?

They say with old age comes the impotency of wit and brain function. You have confirmed it for me.

My reference to Anton LaVey being known was in context to what we might refer to as the "Satanic Subculture," which is the "Market" you have been trying - without much success - in tapping.

Therefore, if LaVey's fame and immortality to a subculture of people is a delusion... then you are a SHADOW of a delusion.

It is not an intelligent idea to attack the very foundantion/platform your institution is founded on. Every thing that you are "Lord Egan" as a "Satanist," the the First CHURCH OF SATAN, is a by-product of Anton LaVey whom you try to mimic and emulate.

The last thing you want to do is make LaVey into a nobody, because where will that place you?

"Everyone dies and is eventually forgotten. Even the gods themselves die and are forgotten. That is reality."

That's clever. Jesus has been dead for 2000 years - or he may not have even existed - but yet he still influenced a massive population of our species. Marx is long dead... but he is still remembered and he still influenced certain nations and about a billion people's lives. George Washington is dead, and so were his valiant contemporaries who risked their lives to fight for a real cause against the most powerful empire in the world for Liberty. And such men still live on in me and you, and their notion of Liberty still influences and effects your life. Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva, as ancient as they are, still have 900 million Hindus to themselves.

"I do not care to associate with testosterone challenged, angst ridden, immature young men with anonymous internet personalities"

Oh, we have something in common. I hate testosterone challenged, angst ridden, immature boys too.

"Just like all the other LaVey worshipers,"

I openly advertise my religion in standard modern English for anybody literate to read John. If you take a look real quick and try to read, you will see that it says "Theravada Buddhist." I am not a Satanist, and not a LaVey worshiper.

Although I give credit to where it is due, and I recognize success when I do see it. Anton Lavey, in his target subculture and genre is a self made success and influence on many minds. People like him, and Crowley are the few associated with this Left Hand Path thing to achieve the respect, admiration, influence, and notability so many - such as yourself - mimic in hopes of duplicating.

But most who try to be the next Lavey fail... and will remain in his shadows forever... as you have always been in his shadows and still remain... Hence "Shadow Tradition."
 

WingsofLeather

Lord Egan
Now we have Allee..the man that made a career out of being buthurt by Anton LaVey. Lets see how this one turns out. :)

In what way was I buthurt by Anton LaVey? And how did I make a career of it? I thought Satanism was about being your own god. That's all I ever taught. How does that put me in competition with some dead jewish guy? And why am I wasting my time posting to this idiotic thread when I could be doing some good conversing with people who are intelligent and open minded?
 
In what way was I buthurt by Anton LaVey? And how did I make a career of it?
Oh come now John. There are those of us that still remember when your 'churchofsatan.org' site consisted largely of LaVey baiting and flaming. As far as I know it still does, not that I have looked in a few years.

Sour grapes, anyone?
 

WingsofLeather

Lord Egan
Oh come now John. There are those of us that still remember when your 'churchofsatan.org' site consisted largely of LaVey baiting and flaming. As far as I know it still does, not that I have looked in a few years.

Sour grapes, anyone?

Serrated,

I am going to leave this entirely up to you. Following is an excerpt from my website. I ask you directly, is this baiting and flaming? Or, is it information that can be verified through proper authorities? Is it information the public has a right to know about? And another question: Why is it that whenever the policies of the CURRENT CoS administrators are called into question, it is immediately considered a personal attack on Anton LaVey, a religious icon? Forget the damaging article by his daughter, Zeena. That was written years ago. I am speaking about issues that currently exist and are still UNRESOLVED.

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5. A New Witch Hunt Begins


For many years, "Magus" Gilmore has been using his time and energy to expose other Satanic groups and their leaders as "bunco" or "untermensch" or "alleged pedophiles". Did he not realize that an obsession can become a curse? To quote Nietzsche, "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."


6. Docket #K65760


Rev. William Gidney or Jesus of Borg was grotto master for the Nepotism Grotto of the Church of Satan. He was married to Gabrielle, a serial abuse victim who calls herself "Ygraine." She, along with other Church of Satan members, frequently accused critics of the organization of being child molesters on alt.satanism, an Internet newsgroup. Gossip concerning these allegations quickly spread and were widely disseminated. Ygraine's hubby, William, did nothing about this hysterical behavior. Apologies came from those susceptible to this slander, but they arrived too late. Scuttlebutt or gossip continued for many years and the lives of innocent people were badly damaged.


Often, in the law, one hears talk about the "objective theory" where jurors when deciding a verdict, are instructed to base their decision as a reasonable sane person would do in same or similar circumstances. Did anyone ever check with law enforcement or the websites that list sex offenders? No. Ygraine allegedly lacked the capacity to figure this one out, but she was able to understand the importance of the justice system when her own husband was accused of this crime.


Rev. Gidney was arrested in July 2003 for at least three counts of felony sex assault/abuse of a minor child. He was living in Pennsylvania with an anonymous woman who was carrying his boy-child at the time of his arrest. The woman ultimately decided to give up the child for adoption upon his birth on March 4, 2004.


Ygraine Gidney is currently a high ranking Magistra in the Church of Satan. She allegedly continues to torment complete strangers, accusing them of sexual deviancy, but seems to refuse to deal with her own demons. Take, for instance Ygraine's recent love interest, Jim Mitchell, professional wrestler and celebrity priest in the Church of Satan. In the new book about WWE champion Chris Benoit's death, Ring of Hell by Matthew Randazzo V, Jim Mitchell states, "I've been places with my **** you wouldn't go with a pistol." On page 221, the book continues, "Mitchell's favorite pastime while on the road with WCW was to film comedic home porn with ring rats and hold viewing parties for the boys at the hotels."


Then there was Rev. Thomas "Azazel" Blumenthal of Allen Park, Michigan, who made contact with members of President Bush's security detail and shortly thereafter was arrested for having kiddie porn on his computer. Blumenthal was a known child molester years before joining the Church of Satan. He served a 4 year sentence for soliciting sex with a child under 13.


7. What Goes Around, Comes Around


In an eerie twist, Peter Gilmore describes the elitist tactic employed by the Church of Satan in his book, The Satanic Scriptures, page 47:
"That plebians have a capacity for swallowing-whole myriad concepts without factual basis is what makes them so easily manipulated. It is their inability to check the doled-out illusions against reality that allows this to continue. All the would-be leader needs to do is to tell his intended followers that they are somehow special, 'elect,' unique, or superior, and they will gleefully accept these false compliments. The leader simply tells his flock that they are elite, and points out some manifest destiny of his own choosing, and the sheep sprint to the slaughter. Never underestimate people's tendency to identify with something deemed superior by an authority figure in an attempt at self-elevation."


I could point to other examples, but what purpose would that serve? Some Church of Satan members are completely innocent - unaware of what goes on behind the scenes. If they knew what other members were involved with, they would disaffiliate poste haste! The Church of Satan is a sad imitation of evangelical Christians and the Catholic church. They assuage their flock and demonize outcasts, but are generally unrepentant and blind to their own hypocrisy.
 

Sireal

Setian
Speak of the Devil and He shows up :cool:

To those who keep the Black Flame burning in the world of wo/men,

This isn't directed at anyone in particular but just some thoughts I had while reading this thread.

We may not agree on everything John but I do admire your stamina and Will to power, good to see you here.

I am no expert on Reverend John's Work or past but have found many interesting and illuminating articles and videos he has produced. His YouTube page has lots of gems~ including the interviews with our present High Priestess done in the early nineties under the name Oz~Tech.

One of the things I avoid like the plague these days is flaming, blaming or slandering others on the LHP even though I have been guilty of just that-its something I'm working on getting over. I dont give a rats arse what direction you are coming from- you either have something to say that interests me or you do not, both will make themselves evident rapidly, however either way it is a subjective perception I hold that makes value judgments possible. If I vocalize that subjectivity it more often than not is a waste of time and diminishes my integrity as well. There is plenty of evidence of those with nothing at all to say here except their subjective opinions on the Work of others, it would be refreshing to see some tangible real world Work from these people instead of their every post being about trolling who they have it in for.

Mr. Allee has been around the block more than once and there is lots of evidence to back this up. We ALL make mistakes! that is how we LEARN-stick your neck out, say something totally out of character that you've been secretly hording to yourself over the years and see what happens! one thing is for sure -you will learn something about yourself. I say these things because regardless of my affiliations I have learned from a vast array of LHP Initiates from all over the map and my experience (read~ mistakes learned from) leads me to think it behooves us to remain open to the mystery of Others and what they can bring to bear in Life on this path, that does not mean I agree 100% with everything anyone says/does either, but I am very capable of finding the value in a well thought out essay, artwork or film.

Dr. Aquino's erudite and concise fashioning of words is unparalleled on the LHP and opened my eyes to an Anton LaVey I would never have otherwise known let alone respected and I would go as far to say I likely would have affiliated alot sooner with the Temple than I did. Hindsight is always 20/20 though.
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I had a couple copies of "Brimstone" magazine which I believe John produced back in the day that enhanced my Initiation in my early years. I have since passed them on and they continue to Work in the world. My point is that if you want to dredge up long past words of others and try to paste them onto the present manifestation of a being you'd best do your research on the path those words have taken the individual. I think if this done with integrity one will find a renewed respect for what it takes to walk this path and not just talk it. This of course can only apply to those who actually do Work that can be seen. It takes brass balls to create a construct on the LHP and have it succeed and there will always be smarmy pissants dogging anyone who does succeed, yet they actually produce nothing of value themselves and usually completely miss the point of their presence on this path.



What have you done to further the Black Flame in the World???
 
What have you done to further the Black Flame in the World???
Two things. Firstly, the black flame, which I assume you are using as a metaphor for the left hand path in general in this context (correct me if I am mistaken), does not need to be 'furthered'. Those that walk this path are but a fraction of a fraction of one percent of the population and there are many sound reasons for this, it is a very hard, cold and sometimes brutal path that does not offer up the sugary treats generally being looked for by seekers. Those that come to this way generally do so because they think a little differently. This will never be a path for the common man.

Secondly, the black flame is an internal thing. If I am my own god, what do I care how others might view the cosmos? Of what benefit is that to me? In traditional religions where a mythology must be superstitiously adhered to as ultimately true, there is incentive and reason to convince others of this(tenfold in abrahamic religions), but the inward path offers up no such carrot to incite this behavior.

Or in short, why the heck should I care about other peoples causes?
 

Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
We may not agree on everything John but I do admire your stamina and Will to power, good to see you here.

This attitude is refreshing.

One of the things I avoid like the plague these days is flaming, blaming or slandering others on the LHP even though I have been guilty of just that-its something I'm working on getting over. I dont give a rats arse what direction you are coming from- you either have something to say that interests me or you do not, both will make themselves evident rapidly, however either way it is a subjective perception I hold that makes value judgments possible. If I vocalize that subjectivity it more often than not is a waste of time and diminishes my integrity as well. There is plenty of evidence of those with nothing at all to say here except their subjective opinions on the Work of others, it would be refreshing to see some tangible real world Work from these people instead of their every post being about trolling who they have it in for.

Yes, knocking someone down just to do it, without backing up your motivations or even giving the benefit of the doubt in conversation without being a mean ***, is no good. It reminds me of children on a playground.

We ALL make mistakes! that is how we LEARN-stick your neck out, say something totally out of character that you've been secretly hording to yourself over the years and see what happens! one thing is for sure -you will learn something about yourself.

Which is what in another thread prompted me to ask how one who follows a path of intolerance for everything can manage to tolerate themselves. I understand being strong, even being brash to drive a point home, but... I guess that is why I am not like that; I can't brutally tear other like-minded people down, when I am just as likely to make mistakes on my path as everyone else is.


My point is that if you want to dredge up long past words of others and try to paste them onto the present manifestation of a being you'd best do your research on the path those words have taken the individual. I think if this done with integrity one will find a renewed respect for what it takes to walk this path and not just talk it. This of course can only apply to those who actually do Work that can be seen. It takes brass balls to create a construct on the LHP and have it succeed and there will always be smarmy pissants dogging anyone who does succeed, yet they actually produce nothing of value themselves and usually completely miss the point of their presence on this path.

I think I love you :yes:


Two things. Firstly, the black flame, which I assume you are using as a metaphor for the left hand path in general in this context (correct me if I am mistaken), does not need to be 'furthered'.

Secondly, the black flame is an internal thing. If I am my own god, what do I care how others might view the cosmos? Of what benefit is that to me? In traditional religions where a mythology must be superstitiously adhered to as ultimately true, there is incentive and reason to convince others of this(tenfold in abrahamic religions), but the inward path offers up no such carrot to incite this behavior.

I think that is exactly what he meant hun. What have you done to further the black flame... talking about the black flame inside you, instead of critiquing others progress... look more to your own.

I don't know squat about the guy. I'll get to his stuff eventually. I didn't need to know whether or not he was a gooch wagon, to be a bit stunned by how he was greeted here generally. It was almost gang-like. That's not good.

*edit* I'm not talking about his treatment in this thread really btw
 
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Kori Houghton

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I don't know squat about the guy. I'll get to his stuff eventually. I didn't need to know whether or not he was a gooch wagon, to be a bit stunned by how he was greeted here generally. It was almost gang-like. That's not good.

I think the negative comments were made by individuals, like myself, who expected him to post contributions like #12 in this thread based on his history elsewhere. We were not wrong, and he (unfortunately) lived down to our expectations. :facepalm:

I hope Sugz stops by and reads your 'gang' comment. She'll be thrilled :clap
 

Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
I hope Sugz stops by and reads your 'gang' comment. She'll be thrilled :clap

Oh I am sure, although I cannot give her all the credit. You can see the look of concern on my virtual face over the virtual *** beating I am sure to receive eh?

The End.
 
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