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A fitting Easter question

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Jesus criticized what was going on in the temple. There is a difference between a temple and an ordinary place of worship.

Aren't all places used for worship, whether permanent or temporary, considered as God's 'House of Worship'?

Wouldn't Jesus have had the same mental attitude in any of the synagogues?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
None of the early epistle writers mention an empty tomb. The empty tomb was the invention of whomever wrote gMark.

Doesn't Matthew 28:1-6 sound like an empty tomb?

Doesn't Luke 24:1-3 sound like an empty tomb?

Doesn't John 20:1-12 sound like an empty tomb?

Mark is the 'John Mark' mentioned in the book of and the 'John' of Acts 13:5,13
His Roman surname: Mark, and Hebrew name: John [Acts 12:12,25]
Mark was a cousin of Barnabas. -Colossians 4:10
Why is there doubt that Mark wrote Mark?
 

dogsgod

Well-Known Member
Doesn't Matthew 28:1-6 sound like an empty tomb?

Doesn't Luke 24:1-3 sound like an empty tomb?

Doesn't John 20:1-12 sound like an empty tomb?

Mark is the 'John Mark' mentioned in the book of and the 'John' of Acts 13:5,13
His Roman surname: Mark, and Hebrew name: John [Acts 12:12,25]
Mark was a cousin of Barnabas. -Colossians 4:10
Why is there doubt that Mark wrote Mark?
The author of Mark wrote the first gospel, and the authors of Matthew, Luke, and John are reliant on Mark. No one knows who wrote the gospels, the names assigned to them were decided in the late 2nd century or so.
 
The author of Mark wrote the first gospel, and the authors of Matthew, Luke, and John are reliant on Mark. No one knows who wrote the gospels, the names assigned to them were decided in the late 2nd century or so.

Some of the early church fathers (I believe Papias was one of the main ones) mention that Matthew initially wrote a gospel in Hebrew, which was then used by later gospel writers for their versions. That Hebrew version has not been found, but apparently it did not include a nativity story.
 

Sonic247

Well-Known Member
Hey, I believe Hercules is real! I'm a Pagan
The mest up part about this is I think he might be real as well. It depends how you define the sons of God/daaughters of men in Genesis 6. Not that it is the biggest issue but I believe "sons of God" refers to angels so Hercules would be one of the "men of renown." Of course his father wouldn't be a "god" per say, but an angel, which could easily be seen as a god.
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
Doesn't Matthew 28:1-6 sound like an empty tomb?

Doesn't Luke 24:1-3 sound like an empty tomb?

Doesn't John 20:1-12 sound like an empty tomb?

Mark is the 'John Mark' mentioned in the book of and the 'John' of Acts 13:5,13
His Roman surname: Mark, and Hebrew name: John [Acts 12:12,25]
Mark was a cousin of Barnabas. -Colossians 4:10
Why is there doubt that Mark wrote Mark?

I believe that John, who was surnamed by Jesus "Son of Thunder," is one and the same as John who was surnamed "Mark" which name means "Hammer of the Hammerer."' and John who was surnamed "Mark' is the son, or rather the adopted son of Mary the sister, or should I say, the half-sister of Joseph the Levite from Cyprus, who was sired by "Heli," the Father of Mary, and who was the biological father of Jesus. See Luke 3: 23; This Joseph was the one who was surnamed Barnabus, who took his half-sister Mary and her adopted son John, who was surnamed "Mark," up to the land of Pamphylia, where the grave sites of John the beloved disciple of Jesus and Mary the mother of Jesus, can still be visited today.
 
Did Jesus really rise from the dead or did the gospel authors make it up? Much as I respect Jesus as a man, I think they made it up.

Are you talking about the physical resurrection or the spiritual resurrection?

The physical resurrection occured after Jesus was in the tomb for 3 full days and 3 full nights due to being crucified on a Wednesday preparation day on 5 April 30 AD.

The spiritual resurrection of Jesus occured 2 1/2 years earlier at his Baptism of Repentance and receipt of the spirit of God which sanctified him, making him the firstborn from the dead.

Clarify which of these resurrections you are talking about and I will try to provide for you some clarity if your perceptions have only been defined by denominational confusion to this point.

God Bless
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
No, what I'm asking is. Did the gospel authors make up the bodily ressurection? What if the Gnostics had it right, which I believe they did, and there is no ressurection of the body?
 
No, what I'm asking is. Did the gospel authors make up the bodily ressurection? What if the Gnostics had it right, which I believe they did, and there is no ressurection of the body?


One would have to explain the claim that Jesus resurrected Lazarus from the tomb after 4 days of being in the tomb. This story is clearly talking about physical resurrection of the body for Lazarus was not an aparition after this event took place. Question is this, is the story true or an elaboration of fictitional imagination?

With the Christian world so denominationally divided in their own personal confusions which differ from the next denomination, They really do not do God a service. For they have no way to prove God exists due to lacking the spiritual promises the one they claim to serve promised them.

If the Christian could do all that Jesus did an more as was the promise of Jesus to his true followers, your question would never need to be asked because the Christian would be healing with a word and raising people from death with a word.

A true witnesses delivers souls, But a deceitful witness speaks lies.


A false witnesses who speaks lies, is one who sows discord among brethren.

dis·cord: (d s kôrd ) n.. 1. a. Lack of agreement among persons, groups, or things. b. Tension or strife resulting from a lack of agreement; dissension.


We have but to look at the entire Christian world from the outside looking in, to see the doctrinal confusions all claiming to be the truth, which can only be explained as differing in perception because they are built on half the truth. All are built on the bible, all Christians speak according to the portions of the bible that they perceive to be the higher truth among the differing testimonies of men within the bible, yet none speak according to the Law and testimony (Isaiah 8:20), but God says if we build on him, the true Rock, we will be solid. Our current perceptions of Solid when built on the bible comes from the “denominational Christian tradition" we accept as the highest perception of Bible truth. The bible is not God for he does not live in things made with man's hands! Jesus did however promise to pour out His Spirit (spirit of truth) on his true followers. Did the Christian world ever have this spirit or was it only available to the Men who called themselves the Way as recorded in Acts by the Christians? The Way spoke the truth about God from the spirit of God, Did the Christians simply try to record what the way was preaching and did they make mistakes?
 
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S-word

Well-Known Member
Are you talking about the physical resurrection or the spiritual resurrection?

The physical resurrection occured after Jesus was in the tomb for 3 full days and 3 full nights due to being crucified on a Wednesday preparation day on 5 April 30 AD.

The spiritual resurrection of Jesus occured 2 1/2 years earlier at his Baptism of Repentance and receipt of the spirit of God which sanctified him, making him the firstborn from the dead.

Clarify which of these resurrections you are talking about and I will try to provide for you some clarity if your perceptions have only been defined by denominational confusion to this point.

God Bless

I believe that the “Son of Man,” evolves from the chosen spirit of Enoch, and much the same as you have evolved from the first ancestor of the human race, which slithered out of the primeval slime of the earth, which had evolved from some organic molecule that had developed in the toxic pool of sulphuric poison, are not that first slimy ancestor, Neither is “The Son of Man,” who evolves from Enoch, the man Enoch from who he evolves.

In Abraham, the faithful and true servant to our indwelling spiritual Father, “Enoch,” to which spirit, none of the ten ancestors of Abraham from Noah to Terah, had been gathered at the time of his birth. The supreme personality of Godhead, who Abraham chose to be his God, said to him, “In blessing, I will bless you, and in multiplying, (Siring Sons) I will multiply you.

It was to the living spirit of Enoch within the inner most sanctuary, or the bosom of Abraham, to which all the spirits of good people who fell asleep in righteousness after paying the blood price, that was demanded by the inherited sin of Eve who was in Adam. And when the required number of righteous spirits had been Gathered to the living spirit of Enoch, who had been hidden in the valley of man for three days, or three periods of one thousand years, He, Enoch, was reborn on earth in the host body of Jesus, who, exactly like himself, was an obedient servant to “Who I Am,” or in his case, “Who He Was,” and Jesus was the mental/spiritual compilation of that enclosure of righteous spirits that had been gathered to the bosom of Abraham.

It was Enoch, reborn on earth as Jesus who said, “Before Abraham was, “I Am.” It was Enoch/Jesus, “The Father in the Son,” who said in John 14: 30; “I cannot talk to you much longer, because (Death) the ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me, but the world must know I love the Father; that is why I do every thing as he commands me.

It was “The Son of Man,” the brilliant enclosure of righteous spirits, in the eighth eternal heaven of Light, who is the great Simulacrum/blueprint or prototype of the new species which evolves on earth from the body of mankind, who dies in the process of involution in order to be the saviour of we, who are in the process of evolution, He is the sacrificial lamb of God, who, empties himself until he is the new species on earth of which Enoch/Jesus was the first to inherit the new bodies of light, and it was the Son of Man who descended in the form of a dove and settled on the head of Enoch reborn, who said, “You are my beloved in whom I am pleased, Today I have become your Father.” See the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 22. Who then led his Son into the wilderness where he was tempted for 40 days.

It was through his obedient servant Enoch/Jesus, who spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say, that our Lord and saviour cried out, “Father! Give me glory now, the same glory I had with you before the world was made.” Jesus/Enoch, the IMAGE of He, the spirit that had developed within the sinfull body of mankind, to whom all sin is ascribed, who came down in the form of a dove, had to be lifted up upon a stake in the same manner that Moses lifted up the IMAGE of the serpent in the wilderness, in order that, to be saved, all those who are dying because of the venom of the old serpent, only have to turn to the IMAGE of the serpent who is lifted up.

After being made dead in the flesh, but alive in spirit, Jesus, descended to the days in which Noah was building the ark, where he preached the good news of salvation to those who were disobedient in those days. Jesus who was chosen as high priest in the line of succession to Melchizedek, (Noah was the first Lord and spiritual centre of the new post-flood body of mankind,) was reborn in the body of Noah, in which those who are given the power to become the Sons of God, must enter and ascend to the thrones that are prepared for them.

Jesus, was reborn in the body of Noah, who was the first “Melchizedek,” the first Lord king and spiritual centre of all the children of the post-flood world. And in Noah, “Jesus” was the first of the new creation.

Noah, had taken the sarcophagus of Adam into the ark with him, and remembering, that according to the story as given to us by God, the only four men on earth immediately after the flood, were Noah and his three sons. Ham, who was born when Noah was in his 5th hundred year, (See Genesis 5: 32.) Shem, who was born when Noah was 502, and was one hundred year old, two years after the flood when Noah was 602, (See Gen 11: 10) and Shem is the older brother of Japheth, the youngest of Noah’s three sons. See Genesis 10: 21.

From the “Book of the Conflicts of Adam” “Melchizedek, (Jesus, who was reborn in the body of Noah in the sixth world, and was the chosen son and heir of Enoch who was in the bosom of Abraham, who was of the genetic line of Shem, the second born son of Noah, and Shem was the second Melchizedek, who out lived Abraham by 38 years, and was that Melchizedek, who blessed Abraham ) and the three sons of Noah, reach a spot where the rock opens and receives the chest containing the body of Adam and the four sacred tokens (Which were the four plants that Adam was allowed to take from the Garden of Eden in paradise, which were, Calamus, Nard, Crocus, and cinnamon, geneticists, take note). Here Melchizedek remains, clothed and girded with fire, to serve God before the body of Adam to all time.” CONTINUED:
 
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S-word

Well-Known Member
Enoch, the only man to have been redeemed from the pre-flood world, was He, who replaced Adam as our indwelling ancestral Father spirit, in the new body that rose from those waters, which body was the descendants of Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives, who were all descendants of Enoch’s six GENETIC sons, Methusulah, Rigim, Riman, Urchan, Chermion, and Giadad.

“Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became pregnant by him and bore a son and his body was as white as snow and as red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair on his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. And thereupon he (Jesus) arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness. And his father Lamech was afraid of him, (Just as Eve was terrified when she first saw Cain the shinning one and thought to kill him) and Lamech fled and ran to his father Methuselah. And he said to him: “I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different, and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. And it seems that he is not sprung from me, but from the angels. And I fear that in his days, a wonder may be wrought on the earth.

From the Book of Enoch the Prophet, 1o4 10-13, and 105: 1-2; “And now I know this mystery, that sinners will alter and pervert the words of righteousness in many ways, and will speak wicked words, and lie, and practice great deceits (These are those so-called Christians, and others who claim to be followers of Christ, who will say, ‘Lord, Lord! In your name we spoke God’s message, by your name we drove out many demons and performed many miracles.’ To who the Lord God our saviour, will say to them through the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus; “I never knew you. Get away from me, you wicked people.”) and write books concerning their own words. But when they write down truthfully all MY words in their languages, (Enoch, In his ascent to the ends of time in his evolution to become the Son of Man, at the command of God, wrote 366 books, which he revealed to his children) and do not change or minish aught from my word, but write them down truthfully----- missing------ all that I first testified concerning them.

Then, I know another mystery, that books shall be given to the righteous and the wise to become a cause of joy and uprightness and much wisdom. And to them shall the books be given, and they shall believe in them, and then shall all the righteous who have learnt there from all the paths of uprightness be recompensed. In those days the Lord bade them to summon and testify to the children of the earth concerning their wisdom: Show it unto them for ye are their guides, and a recompense over the whole earth. For I and My Son will be united with them for ever in the paths of uprightness in their lives; and ye shall have peace: rejoice, ye children of uprightness. Amen.

And how shall the righteous be recompensed? I’ll let Enoch explain that to you, “The Book of Enoch the Prophet” 108: 11-13; “And now I (Enoch) will summon the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who in the flesh were not recompensed with the honour that their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining Light (The translation) those who have loved MY holy name, and I will seat each one on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for times without number, etc.”
 
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