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Democrats vs Republicans

Wandered Off

Sporadic Driveby Member
There are plenty of state and local laws making it difficult for a third party to get on the ballot.
Of course you are right. That was an oversimplification. The major parties, who conveniently control the election commissions that grant ballot access, will do almost anything to avoid competition, including spreading http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ics/70305-myths-about-voting-third-party.html. Then there is the media coverage (or lack thereof) for thirds. They do not get all the free publicity to spread their message to voters.

My comment came from the fact that, even when we do see third-party candidates on the ballots, they rarely break into double-digits. If voters really cared about having more choices, they would rally to change those laws, IMO.
 
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Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Sarah Palin is fair game. She's a politician, for gawdsakes!

not anymore...

now she's just another self promoting author who happens to be a mother
not to mention her admiration for the militia, anti union opinions (its ironic that many Palin sympathisers forget she actually wants to LEAVE the united states) and clear lack of intelligence.....

Sarah Palin arguably is to politics what paris hilton is to fame
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
My comment came from the fact that, even when we do see third-party candidates on the ballots, they rarely break into double-digits.

Well, that's mostly because it would take away from whichever candidate actually won the election. For instance, if all the people who are independent but thought Obama was the best of the two choices voted for a third-party candidate, McCain would have won. You might think that third-party candidate is better than, say, the democratic candidate, but there's no way that one's going to win, so you're really just giving votes to the worst of the three.
 

Wandered Off

Sporadic Driveby Member
Well, that's mostly because it would take away from whichever candidate actually won the election. For instance, if all the people who are independent but thought Obama was the best of the two choices voted for a third-party candidate, McCain would have won. You might think that third-party candidate is better than, say, the democratic candidate, but there's no way that one's going to win, so you're really just giving votes to the worst of the three.
That might be true if winning this election is the only goal. However, if your party can be a "spoiler," it could cause one of the major parties to adopt some of those ideas to capture those voters next time. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the Democratic party shifted toward the left after people blamed Nader for Bush's wins.

Third party members have other reasons as well. For example, ballot access for the next election is in some cases determined by votes gained this election. A third party that gains over 5% of the vote in my state is assured ballot access in the following election.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
That might be true if winning this election is the only goal. However, if your party can be a "spoiler," it could cause one of the major parties to adopt some of those ideas to capture those voters next time. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the Democratic party shifted toward the left after people blamed Nader for Bush's wins.

Third party members have other reasons as well. For example, ballot access for the next election is in some cases determined by votes gained this election. A third party that gains over 5% of the vote in my state is assured ballot access in the following election.

I understand. I think as more time passes, more people will start to vote third party just to try to shake things up. Seeing as how the two parties are not so different from each other at this point, it probably won't be that big a loss either way.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
I understand. I think as more time passes, more people will start to vote third party just to try to shake things up. Seeing as how the two parties are not so different from each other at this point, it probably won't be that big a loss either way.

after 8 years of Bush though....

we had to NOT have McCain and moron lady....

I mean...one shudders to think what could have been
 
I am seeing a trend here. Apparently it is okay for Democrats to point out every little problem within the Republican party. If there is an issue with one person within the party, you like to label the whole party. You also like calling Sarah Palin names.

On the other hand, if I oppose the Democratic party in any way I am suddenly a hypocrite or something. When Republicans point out problems within the Democratic party we are somehow picking on you. I am also constantly accused for singling you, as RF members out, when I oppose Democratic views.

What gives? Democrats can throw stones at my glass house, but if I toss a few back at theirs I am in the wrong? If Democrats think they are going to get us to walk on eggshells around them they are seriously mistaken.

It seems to me that while the Repub's had control they couldn't take criticism either but now that the tables are turned they're crying foul and saying Dem's cant take criticism.

Boo Hoo, how's it feel?
 

Mr. Hair

Renegade Cavalcade
I'd kick them in the groin whether it was fair or not. :p

Absolutely. A swift kick to the groin, coupled with a good pair of running shoes, will solve any problem in this world.

Granted, some problems are so big that you'd have to kick pretty damn hard to fix 'em, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
I find both side to usually be a bunch of, whiny, self-centered, arrogant people. Who like to Stereotype each other just because there in a certain party as if everyone in the group is the same.
If it's not like that for religion then it's not for there political choice. I mean come on we're all adults here and I'm sure we have seen others of each side not be 100% like the stereotypes?
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Sarah Palin is a Liberal's nightmare. Just the though of President Palin gets them worked up.

I get a hoot out of seeing the terror in their eyes. Now being a thinking man, I personally believe she would not be the best candidate for the Grand Old Party.

I have to wonder though, if she upsets the Liberals so much, I would have to be happy with her job performance as President.

Think about it, does a President have to be smart or just have good advisers?
 
Sarah Palin is a Liberal's nightmare. Just the though of President Palin gets them worked up.

I get a hoot out of seeing the terror in their eyes. Now being a thinking man, I personally believe she would not be the best candidate for the Grand Old Party.

I have to wonder though, if she upsets the Liberals so much, I would have to be happy with her job performance as President.

Think about it, does a President have to be smart or just have good advisers?

I personally would prefer a smart President with good advisers if I had my choice.
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
So what Presidents in the past during your life time do you consider smart?
By 'Your life time' do you mean Presidents that where in office during it? Or what President so far do we consider smart(that we have learned about in this life time).
lol, I can guess what you meant but I'm a sucker for technicalities...sorry Rick. ^_^
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
By 'Your life time' do you mean Presidents that where in office during it? Or what President so far do we consider smart(that we have learned about in this life time).
lol, I can guess what you meant but I'm a sucker for technicalities...sorry Rick. ^_^


No problem, Presidents that where in office during YOUR LIFE TIME.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
So what Presidents in the past during your life time do you consider smart?

Smart? Or was brilliant at his rhetoric? :D

If the latter, then I greatly credit Reagan, Clinton, and Obama. If simply the former, everyone carried with him some brain tissue from '72 except Carter and W. Some. Not a whole whole lot. But some is better than none.

*shudders*
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Sarah Palin is a Liberal's nightmare. Just the though of President Palin gets them worked up.

I get a hoot out of seeing the terror in their eyes. Now being a thinking man, I personally believe she would not be the best candidate for the Grand Old Party.

I have to wonder though, if she upsets the Liberals so much, I would have to be happy with her job performance as President.

Think about it, does a President have to be smart or just have good advisers?

upset? lol

you mistake a face palm :facepalm: for upset

The face palm is the liberal view of Palin....

:sarcastic terror ...

Think about it, does a President have to be smart or just have good advisers?

there aren't words for this....
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Smart? Or was brilliant at his rhetoric? :D

If the latter, then I greatly credit Reagan, Clinton, and Obama. If simply the former, everyone carried with him some brain tissue from '72 except Carter and W. Some. Not a whole whole lot. But some is better than none.

*shudders*


You have to remember anyone that would get into that high level of politics has got to have somethign wrong with them.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I'm an independent. In the last election, I voted for a mix of Democrats, Republicans, and Libertarians.

I am libertarian when it comes to basic human rights. Live and let live and don't impose your moral values on other people. However, since I do believe in a system that encourages and allows people to take responsibility for their own actions, I am often absolutely APPALLED by the stupidity of many Democrat concepts. Likewise, I am appalled by the greed of many Republican concepts.

Let's see - stupidity or greed...what a choice...

I think there's something to that idea of running politicians out of town on a rail...

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IS YOU IS OR IS YOU AIN'T MY CONSTITUENTS?
 
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