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rapture

Pah

Uber all member
Aqualung said:
So what is Jesus's millenial reign for? Do you beleive the same as my dad, that it is for those who died without/before the gospel, or do you beleive something different?
That was taken care of in the three (Jewish) days of his death. Some versions of the creed refer to it as the desent into hell.
 

Aqualung

Tasty
Ohhh! Because he preached to the spirits in prision, right? Is that your beleif, too, may?

And for pah: What about the people who weren't dead yet then, but happen now to live in a place out in the jungle somewhere, and they never find the Gospel?
 

may

Well-Known Member
Aqualung said:
So what is Jesus's millenial reign for? Do you beleive the same as my dad, that it is for those who died without/before the gospel, or do you beleive something different?
the thousand year reign of christ will bring paradise conditions on to the earth, but first , Jesus christ will get rid of all who oppose his rulership
. He will do this at the battle called Armageddon in the Bible. (Revelation 16:16) Genuine Christians on earth will not fight in that war. It is God’s war.

Even now, the "great crowd" that will survive Armageddon are being gathered. They are getting ready for Christ’s Millennial Reign. Although they do not know when that reign will begin, they are confident that in God’s due time, it will be ushered in.....as for those who have died in the past ,if they are in Jehovah Gods memory (john 5;28-29) they will have the chance , after being resurrected onto a paradise earth.to live forever on a paradise earth,notice that john 5;28-29 says that the rightous and the unrightous are in Jehovahs memory, so if they live according to the new scrolls they can live forever they are not judged on what they did before they died only how they live from their resurrection

 

Pah

Uber all member
Aqualung said:
...And for pah: What about the people who weren't dead yet then, but happen now to live in a place out in the jungle somewhere, and they never find the Gospel?
I only addressed the ones that died before Christ ascended into heaven. If your father taught you about the pre-gospel dead, then there is serious theological differences.
 

Aqualung

Tasty
pah: could you adress the ones who just happen to live in a place where they never hear about the gospel? I'd be really interested to hear what happens to them.

may: So, the millenial reign brings paradise to earth? So do you beleive that before that the Devil is destroyed, as being one who opposed Jesus? What is the point of having a millenial reign right before he reigns for eternity? I know what I beleive will be going on then, but what about you?
 

Pah

Uber all member
Aqualung said:
pah: could you adress the ones who just happen to live in a place where they never hear about the gospel? I'd be really interested to hear what happens to them.
I don't know - I only told you what I know - that the dead at Christ's death were visited by Christ.
 

may

Well-Known Member
Aqualung said:
pah: could you adress the ones who just happen to live in a place where they never hear about the gospel? I'd be really interested to hear what happens to them.

may: So, the millenial reign brings paradise to earth? So do you beleive that before that the Devil is destroyed, as being one who opposed Jesus? What is the point of having a millenial reign right before he reigns for eternity? I know what I beleive will be going on then, but what about you?
the devil will be put out of action for a thousand years but then eventually he will be destroyed forever .when he is out of action he cannot mislead people
: "And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he hurled him into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him, that he might not mislead the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After these things he must be let loose for a little while."—Revelation 20:1-3 this angel according to my beliefs is Jesus christ

 

anders

Well-Known Member
"If you don’t know how to answer that question, you’re probably a Catholic."

I used to be as active a Protestant as anybody in Protestant Sweden, and for those some 50 years I never ever heard anything even remotely resembling a "rapture" being discussed.
 

Harvster

Member
Aqualung, hope this clears up a few things regarding the order of events of the end times.

The Pentecostal view scripturally is basically as follows. Christ in his grace returns for those who have accepted him as thier savior. He returns to take both those who have died before his return and those who remain living will be caught up in the twinkling of an eye to be with him as stated in 1 Thess. Just as God removed Noah from the flood that he sent to destroy the earth so Jesus will by his infinate grace return to take those who believe in him out of the tribulations that will follow his return Rev. chaters 6-20.

In regards to the millenial reign of Christ Satan is bound for these thousand years and Christ establishes his Kingdom upon this earth and along with the saints and those who did not worship the Anti-christ/the beast during the period of the great tribulation of seven years Rev. 20:4. after this 1000 year reign of Christ Satan is cast into the lake of fire. The Characteristics of this reign chronologically are:
1. It was predicted in the O.T., 2. Satan will be bound, 3. Christ reign will be shared by the faithful of his churches and possibly also by the resurrected OT saints, 4. the people ruled by Christ will consist of those on earth who were faithful during the tribulation and who survived until the Lord's coming and those born during the millenium, 5. no unsaved persons will enter the kingdom, 6. those reigning with Christ stand far above all the nations, for they will minister to and rule both Israel and the nations Matt.19:28, 7. there will be peace, safety, prosperity, and righteousness throughout the earth, 8. nature will be restored to it's original order, perfection and beauty, 9. the nations durung this reign are obliged to continue in faith in Christ and obedience to his rule however, some will choose the way of rebellion and disobedience and will be punished, 10. at the end of the 1000 yrs, the kingdom will be handed over by Jesus to the Father; then will begin the final and everlasting kingdom of God and the Lamb. Then the Father will deal with Satan totally as Rev.20:7 states.
 

anders

Well-Known Member
reyjamiei said:
"Almost all Christians are interested in prophecy". Count Swedes out. And moreover, the concept of Rapture is unknown to, I suppose, most anyone over here. I was a very active Christian for some 20 years, and I knew nothing about "Rapture", and didn't care one bit about prophecy, and I knew nobody else who thought such things were important until I began frequenting web sites where USAmericans were active.
 
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