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Life is good... if you are mega-wealthy.

Mr. Hair

Renegade Cavalcade
Um, in case you didn't notice, America isn't doing better than France as far as employment goes,

As far as youth and immigrant unemployment, America actually is doing better than France. This also goes for unemployment as a whole, albeit by a much smaller margin. (Currently 9.7% vs 10.1%)

France can seem to guarantee it's workers longer vacation, infinite health care, more sick pay, longer maternal leave, disability pay, etc.

Only be levying much higher taxes, and suffering a less productive economy with historically weaker growth.

Not to mention, a lack of social and political tension is not necessarily a good thing.

If you say so. Personally, I'd be more inclined to listen to the people whose cars were burned and whose houses destroyed about whether or not it's a good thing.

The level of unemployment is not that certain level... the 'guesstimates' range from 10 percent to 25 percent depending on who you are asking; that 'certain level' has traditionally been 4 percent.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what this post is referring to. I'd say that those "guesstimates" seem to err more towards out-and-out guessing though, since even the most conservative are above what nearly every current labour survey says.

...Ok. I didn't see any attempt to compare Russia to America.

Well, you certainly seemed to do so in your opening post, when you talked about the "federal allocations" of the "Russian government" and the complaints of "high-ranking Russian officials" and offered them up as part of your argument for why only the "mega-wealthy" in the US are benefitting.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
As far as youth and immigrant unemployment, America actually is doing better than France. This also goes for unemployment as a whole, albeit by a much smaller margin. (Currently 9.7% vs 10.1%)

"Of late, the media has been abuzz with cheerful-ish news—the country's unemployment rate is down from 10.2% to 10% as of November. But some experts are questioning the validity of both this percentage and the alleged decrease, according to DailyFinance.

The unemployment rate we see in newspapers and the like is calculated by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which interviews state unemployment offices for its numbers. The thing is, these offices can only report numbers on laid-off employees collecting unemployment benefits; thus, if you're in the BLS's 10%, you are:


  • Recently laid-off. Eventually you will stop qualifying for unemployment.
  • Someone who was fired after 14 or more weeks of employment. Any less and you can't get any benefits.
  • Probably not self-employed. Only self-employed workers with unemployment insurance are eligible for help from state offices.
  • Still a member of the workforce. If you become "discouraged" and stop looking for a job, or take yourself out of the workforce for any other reason, you are no longer counted as unemployed but rather "marginally attached." There are an estimated 2.3 million "marginally attached" workers in the country.

But before we start hating on the BLS, DailyFinance reports that the agency does actually calculate a more comprehensive rate of unemployment, we just don't know about it. For example, BLS researchers use household surveys to figure out more gray-area data, like the 9.3 million part-time workers who can't find full-time work.

When you add up these unhappy part-timers, the "marginally attached," and the laid-off workers collecting benefits, the unemployment rate is 17.2%—a lot higher than 10%."

http://www.dollarish.com/718262472/whats-the-actual-unemployment-rate/



Only be levying much higher taxes, and suffering a less productive economy with historically weaker growth.

Is there not a point where a country doesn't really need to be more productive economically? One might want to ask themselves if how America 'achieved' it's growth is actually a good thing or not.



If you say so. Personally, I'd be more inclined to listen to the people whose cars were burned and whose houses destroyed about whether or not it's a good thing.

It would be like asking Nixon if the popular dissent against the Vietnam War was a good thing.



I'm sorry, I'm not sure what this post is referring to. I'd say that those "guesstimates" seem to err more towards out-and-out guessing though, since even the most conservative are above what nearly every current labour survey says.

Addressed in first point.



Well, you certainly seemed to do so in your opening post, when you talked about the "federal allocations" of the "Russian government" and the complaints of "high-ranking Russian officials" and offered them up as part of your argument for why only the "mega-wealthy" in the US are benefitting.

I didn't say only the American wealthy are benefiting, all wealthy are benefiting in the global market under continued liberalization of trade barriers and increased factories in 3rd world countries were pay is significantly less.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Actually, I'd say being able to have whatever you want materially is just as likely to result in depression as happiness.

I would have to disagree. Not having the burden of working or wondering whether you can afford something is much more likely to lead to happiness than depression.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
I would have to disagree. Not having the burden of working or wondering whether you can afford something is much more likely to lead to happiness than depression.

Not having to worry about money, and having unrestricted access to anything you want, are two different things.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
That's true. In your opinion, does that make a difference in this case?

In this case it certainly does, as what I was originally responding to, was your assertion that "it's a lot easier to not be depressed or unhappy when you can have whatever you want materially."

I posit that having whatever you want materially, is not a path to happiness, and is often just the opposite. Much of what makes us happy is working to accomplish something, and the positive effects achieved through overcoming the problems and obstacles to reach those goals.

It is very unnatural for human beings to have unrestricted access to anything they want, and this can certainly result in lack of purpose, meaning, in addition to a general lack of appreciation for anything.

Not having to worry about paying for bills, or general necessities, is a different thing.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
THAT is WAY to technical..

Cant anyone see that the robins are pairing and nesting???

LOOK at the BIRDS!!

Im bird lady now..

Love

Dallas
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
In this case it certainly does, as what I was originally responding to, was your assertion that "it's a lot easier to not be depressed or unhappy when you can have whatever you want materially."

But not having to worry about money is part of being able to have whatever you want materially.

I posit that having whatever you want materially, is not a path to happiness, and is often just the opposite. Much of what makes us happy is working to accomplish something, and the positive effects achieved through overcoming the problems and obstacles to reach those goals.

Ah, but I was careful not to say "having whatever you want materially", but instead "being able to have whatever you want materially". I would like to be in the position to have whatever I want materially, but I would only end up with a nice house, a nice car and some fun luxuries around the house. Most of my money would go towards helping my family and friends (this is assuming extreme wealth, like the equivalent of winning $100 million), giving to charities and/or setting up my own charities, and probably opening some sort of comic book store.

I don't want to have a lot of material stuff, but having the ability to have any of it I wanted would help, partly because it would mean never worrying about money again and never having to work (although, as mentioned I would love to have my own store; I just wouldn't want to have to count on it for my sustenance).
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Life has nothing to do with money but it is true of most people who don't have money that they believe it will be better if they do.

I am amazed at how many Rich people have kids born with birth defects or diseases. How many Rich kids end up in Drug rehab or committing suicide.

Rich people need to worry about keeping there riches and the poor people revolt. In some countries they have to worry about their family members being kidnapped. They have to wonder about there friends are they real or just there for the money. Can they really trust anyone?

Yes they can have things lots of things but do things make life good or great. I don't believe so. They have great castles with lots of stuff but only few true friends.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Whether or not your life is "good" has more to do with your outlook on life in general than your tax bracket.

Just saying.

Yes, but you're far from the lowest tax bracket...

I agree fully with the sentiment
but in America, society is geared toward being a certain way

Life expectancy, sanity, good nutrition...
if you are poor....well
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Actually, I'd say being able to have whatever you want materially is just as likely to result in depression as happiness.

very true

however you dont have to worry about starvation, poor housing, gun toting gang members.....or living in neighborhoods that sell pickled pig feet
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
very true

however you dont have to worry about starvation, poor housing, gun toting gang members.....or living in neighborhoods that sell pickled pig feet

I did for much of the first 18 years of my life (accept for the pickled pig feet). I was malnourished, lived in projects, went without basic necessities, and went to schools where people got stabbed in the hallways and that had armed police on patrol.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
I did for much of the first 18 years of my life (accept for the pickled pig feet). I was malnourished, lived in projects, went without basic necessities, and went to schools where people got stabbed in the hallways and that had armed police on patrol.

cool, did you have rats?

clearly you weren't mega rich though....

or maybe your parents believed in slumming it, so you could be well rounded?

We had pickled pig feet when I lived in Jersey....I only got mugged twice:facepalm:
 

AzraelsTear

Member
I did for much of the first 18 years of my life (accept for the pickled pig feet). I was malnourished, lived in projects, went without basic necessities, and went to schools where people got stabbed in the hallways and that had armed police on patrol.


and then some europeans came and adopted you and took you away from united states? :flirt:
 

AzraelsTear

Member
cool, did you have rats?

clearly you weren't mega rich though....

or maybe your parents believed in slumming it, so you could be well rounded?

We had pickled pig feet when I lived in Jersey....I only got mugged twice:facepalm:

i have a history of slumming actually, i guess i like to live in a environment that i do "not belong" and i think alot of it has to do with that it is, in truth, temporar, i can whenever i want just walk away and "go home", but i have learnt alot from it and become a better person, i would say.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
so to conclude: kill the poor, they dont matter, as long as I have a comfortable life and am happy
why should they complain, they dont need money to be happy, they have soup kitchens and pickled pig feet

God bless amorica
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
i have a history of slumming actually, i guess i like to live in a environment that i do "not belong" and i think alot of it has to do with that it is, in truth, temporar, i can whenever i want just walk away and "go home", but i have learnt alot from it and become a better person, i would say.

I dont belong....

thats why I am a Gnostic:p
 
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