tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Comparing "breeds" of horses to humans again shows a propensity towards Social Darwinism.
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Has human evolution been disproved?
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Comparing "breeds" of horses to humans again shows a propensity towards Social Darwinism.
Super Saiya Jinn
Member
Just because we are superior in some areas to other lifeforms does not make us superior overall, we are just well adapted for OUR situation.
There are plenty of viruses and infections that can kill us and we can do nothing about it. Does that make that virus or infection superior to us?....No.
Lifeforms are better in some areas then others because they have had to adapt to suit the situation they find themselves in, the ones that do, survive, and the ones that don't, die, Evolution 101.
One thing i do agree on though is that humans are a very fast adapting species, thanks to our high level of intelligence.
Heh... I can't help remembering that line from the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy where Douglas Adams says that humans considered themselves superior to dolphins because they built great cities and whatnot, while all the dolphins ever did was muck about in the water having a good time... and the dolphins considered themselves superior for exactly the same reason.
When you come up with the citeria for "greater" and "lesser", of course we're going to come out on top. However, from an ant's point of view, we're "lower" on the pheremone detection scale, and we sure can't infect a mammal's gastrointestinal tract as well as a giardia bacterium.
We're well-adapted for our environment, and many other species are just as well-adapted for their environments. That reduces any question of "higher" or "lower" species to one of which environment is objectively "better", which IMO is just silly.
Apart from the fact that the human body is far more complex and sophisticated than even its nearest relative in the evolution of the species, it is the intellect that has evolved in man which makes him superiour to the lower species, and we sure can infect a mammal's gastrointestinal tract with giardia bacterium, don't you worry about that.
You mob who believe that all species are equal, and that none can be classified as higher or lower than another species, are living in a dream world, or walking around with blind folds on you eyes.
Super Saiya Jinn
Member
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
Giardia is a protoctist, not a bacterium. More to the point, however, this particular rant
presupposes that there exists an objective scale against which the 'worth' of living organisms can be measured. From previous fulminations, S-word appears to believe that it is to be measured by complexity, and that
Human bodies are not, for the most part, intrinsically more complex than those of other mammals: our kidneys, hearts, livers work much like those of pigs or apes. Our brains may be more complex, certainly, and are currently giving us our moment in the limelight, but we have no grounds for supposing that that moment will outlast that of the dinosaurs or the trilobites. In the long term, we're likely to be outlived by the cockroaches.Originally Posted by S-word
the human body is far more complex and sophisticated than even its nearest relative in the evolution of the species.
Gabethewiking
Active Member
But then you gone against yourself, you said we where better as Humans because of Buildings, spaceships and technology, the same MUST apply to us as well, various Human Tribes doing BETTER then other Tribes.
You cant escape from this, so once agaian, This is YOUR view, you stated it clearly, Tell us which Human Race/Tribe is the Best as the moment?
The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
... as your participation herein attests.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
You know absolutely nothing about even the basics of biology. You've presented no evidence for the claims you continue to make. Your arguments have already been refuted but you continue to display a severe lack of knowledge. Internally we are fragile and susceptible to viral attacks, and parasitic domination. Certain fruits and foods can cause us death.
Externally we are not able to function as efficiently as some animals. As I mentioned before...our hearing, eyesight, smell and dexterity is severely lacking compared to other animals. So your assumption on how "superior", "complex" or "sophisticated" we are in comparison is nonsense.
No...we seemed to know what we're talking about, but you, on the other hand, appear clueless and uneducated. I hope you go and take the time and pick up a book on the basics of biology or even the basic understanding of evolution. No one is asking you to "believe"...rather we just want you to get a better understanding of the natural world around you than what you currently posses.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
You know... if our eyes were as complex and sophisticated as a Mantis Shrimps then maybe we wouldn't have this problem... 
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quote=johnhanks; Giardia is a protoctist, not a bacterium.
Go tell it to the monkeys, not that they will be able to understand you as they are not as complex or sophisticated as we, who, are Lord of all Creatures, and tell it to 9-10ths Penguin also, to whose post I was responding.
Post 198...quote 9-10ths Penguin; When you come up with the citeria for "greater" and "lesser", of course we're going to come out on top. However, from an ant's point of view, we're "lower" on the pheremone detection scale, and we sure can't infect a mammal's gastrointestinal tract as well as a giardia bacterium.
quote=johnhanks; Our brains may be more complex, Certainly , OH please repeat that? Certainly, Thank you. and are currently giving us our moment in the limelight,
I'm glad that you now agree with my previous post in which I stated; “Apart from the fact that the human body is far more complex and sophisticated than even its nearest relative in the evolution of the species, it is the intellect that has evolved in man which makes him superior to the lower species.”
quote=johnhanks; but we have no grounds for supposing that that moment will outlast that of the dinosaurs or the trilobites.
Agreed, the trilobites and dinosaurs once stood in the limelight as the most high in the creation, in the time that they had first evolved. I think that you will agree that the living universal body of today, is much more complex and sophisticated than the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity from which the first and all subsequent generations of the universal being has evolved.
I believe that the evolving spirit of the singularity of the origin of all that exists, rules through the Most High species that it becomes in the gathering of all the information and experiences of all the life forms that it becomes in its evolution to greater and greater heights. It rules the earth through the current species that it has become at any given point in time. And we know that it once ruled the earth for over three millions years in the body of the dinosaurs which were the Most High that the eternal evolving spirit had become at that point in its evolution. But as you have stated, it is the species “Mankind,” who today stands in the limelight of the Most High in the creation, in who, the ruler of the world is the indwelling ancestral spirit.
I believe that our Father the Most High, whose kingdom is within you, sits on the throne behind the veil to the inner Most sanctuary of his current tent/tabernacle, which temporary tent is the body of mankind, and only the most naïve of people would believe that “mankind” is the end of the process of evolution. But his day in the limelight is soon to come to its end.
I believe that a more complex and sophisticated species will evolve from mankind, and that which evolves from Mankind, is the “Son of Man,” who will gain dominion over all the species of life forms which evolved before him, and He who is the new and more glorious Temple of the Most High ancestral spirit, is a being of brilliant and incorruptible light, who will dwell on earth among mankind, and ever knee shall bow before the new species of the Most High in the creation, who can and has descended upon the genetic thread of life that binds him to the beginning from which he has evolved. And that glorious simulacrum, “The Omega,” who is in the beginning and who is one with “The Alpha.” is the blue-print of the new species that will dwell on earth among mankind, to rule, not only the earth, but also the heavens and all therein.
And I believe that we shall be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter, into glorious bodies of incorruptible and blinding light. As was the new body of our brother Jesus, who was the first fruits to have been harvested from the dead past of the sacrificial Lamb of God, and who appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus in his new body of light. I believe also, that we, who are to inherit those bodies of brilliant light, await the day that the immortal simulacrum, will descend from the heights to which he has evolved and enter the first temple where he shall be treated with outrage and hung upon a tree, and when the veil of that temple is torn, his immortal spiritual body will be torn asunder and poured out as fire on the heads of they who believed his words as spoken through his obedient servant ‘Jesus,’ who spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by the spirit with which he was filled when it descended in the form of a dove upon the body that had been prepared for the "Lamb of God," who developed within the sinful body of mankind and to whom all those sins have been ascribed.
I believe that they who received their share of his immortal body and who have been judged in the flesh as all men are judged and have paid the blood price for any mistakes made in their lives on earth, now in their immortal spiritual existence, live as God lives, gathering to themselves, the spirits of their descendants who fall asleep in righteousness after paying the blood price for their earthly mistakes.
And I believe that when all of they, who have/will receive/received their share of the immortal body of light, have gathered to themselves the required number of good spirits whose righteous blood will be the ransom price for they, who are true and obedient to their indwelling ancestral spirit, and who were chosen before this world began, as the host bodies in which their ancestors are to be reborn on earth; and as we have borne the image of Adam the first man, so shall we bear the image of the second man whose glorious being blinded the eyes of Saul on the road to Damascus and who identified himself as “Jesus of Nazareth,” and death shall have no power over those chosen heirs.
Well I’m off for a few weeks, I will leave my son to copy and paste into “My Documents,” any responses to this post that you may make, and on my return I will decide who I will respond to, and who I will reject.
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The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
You know, S-word - once you finally figure out that "complex" does not mean the same thing as "designed", you'll be making a big step toward recovery. Much like the alchoholic that finally admits he has a problem, the door will slowly begin to swing open for your march to rational thought.
quote=Gabethewiking; But then you gone against yourself, you said we where better as Humans because of Buildings, spaceships and technology,
Because of our evolved intelligence, we, who are the Most High in the creation, of which I reluctantly include yourself, and Lord of Creatures, are the only species that is known to have evolved, who is capable of desiging and building such marvelous creations. Go to sleep, assured in the fact that you had belonged to the ruling body on earth.
How are you going strawman, when are you going to see the wizard and get that brain that you so desire to have?
Gabethewiking
Active Member
I am waiting for your response S, Which Human Race or Tribe is the current most Superior one?
I am sure most here would like you to respond, Are you not going to share with us? You already made it clear that the Human Species are Superior to All other Animals, now I want you to tell us Which Human Race/Tribe is the most Superior, and if you can, Inferior as well, as this would be included in your own conclusion (we are getting better and better etc)
DarkSun
:eltiT
No, I'm pretty sure our technology would rust in the acidic conditions, then we'd asphyxiate due to lack of oxygen, while our body would slowly cook in the boiling hot water. :sarcastic
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I have already answered that infantile question. The simple fact is that there is only the body of mankind who is the Most High in the creation, of which body, You (Oh heaven help us) are one cell in that most complex and sophisticated of all the known species that have so far evolved.
Within that body, irrelavent of which race or tribe they belong to, there are cells that are used for the more complex tasks required for the survival of that body, and there are those cells, irrelavent of which race or tribe they belong to, which are incapable of doing anything other than the most menial of tasks. If you were unable to understand this and persist in asking the same repetitive question over and over, and over again, then I refuse to waste any more time repeating myself.
I will not be responding to any more of your posts in this thread, goodbye my friend.
Not in the oxygen generating, heat proof, rust and acid resistant capsule, that with the evolved intelligence of the Most High in the creation, we are able to create.
quote=Super Saiya Jinn; There are plenty of viruses and infections that can kill us and we can do nothing about it. Does that make that virus or infection superior to us?....No.
There are plenty of viruses and bacterial infections that have killed individuals, but none have been able to kill us as a species, as there as so many things that we can do and that we, who are the Most High in the creation with our superior intellect actually have done and will continue to do, in order to combat any threat that they have made and will continue to make against us.
quote=Super Saiya Jinn; One thing i do agree on though is that humans are a very fast adapting species, thanks to our high level of intelligence.
And thank heavens for that, as we, the Most High in the creation, may one day have to be the saviour of the entire earthly ecco system.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
We have yet to invent such a device... so I guess we still have a ways to go till perfection.
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quote=painted wolf; We have yet to invent such a device
But I can assure you, that if ever the need for such a device becomes imperititive to our survival, such a device will be created in no time at all (Figuratively speaking that is).
Do the perfected strive for a greater perfection? quote=painted wolf; so I guess we still have a ways to go till perfection.
Of course we do, we have evolved a far greater creative mind than that of our ancient ancestor who created the first wooden wheel, and because we are in the continuous state of evolution, the intellect that will have evolved in our far distant future descendants, will be far superior than we are today. When it was said that no student can be greater than the teacher, it is assumed that the teacher, who is far more intelligent than the student, will continue to evolve ahead of his evolving student, who will become greater than that which his teacher once was, but never as great as his teacher now is and will be.
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