Is all Sin equal

Original Freak · Jul 5, 2005

fromthe heart said:
in God's eyes all sin is the same

What do other's think about this? Let's take the 10 commandments for a second...Is committing murder the same as adultery? Does each Sin contain the same punishment or is each Sin treated differently and punished in such a way.

If your not Christian does your religion have things like Sins or rules of things you can't do and how are these treated?

Quiddity · Jul 5, 2005

Generally speaking, the wages of sin is death (equate death as seperated from God). But it does not necessarily follow that jay walking will get you to hell either. According to the Bible all sin is wrong doing, but some sins are indeed graver then others. The best example is from the book of John where he writes there is sin leading to death . . . there is sin not leading to death. (1 John 5:16-17).

A sin is always objectively the same, either grave or not, but there are varying levels of culpability. Jesus said, And that slave who knew his masters will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, shall receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. (Luke 12:47-48).

In Catholic teaching those sins that do not lead to death merely wound the soul. We call these venial sins. Those sins that do lead to death we mortal sins.

In order for them to be mortal all the following must apply:

1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131

1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.
1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.

Jaymes · Jul 5, 2005

There's no way I can believe that saying you didn't eat the cookies is on the same level as genocide. All sins are not created equal.

fromthe heart · Jul 5, 2005

Using my own words...yes God I feel sees sin as sin..humanly speaking I feel murder is worse than a lie or comitting adultry. Since God made the rules on a more spiritual level doesn't that make sin the same despite the degree we as humans place on it from OUR own personal perspective?

From a human point of view murder if taking the life from another being. Life can be taken with out it causing physical death...so when a rape occurs(falls under adultery despite it not being a sexual act)it can take what was a normal life and destroy it. there are devastating things that happen from even the tiniest of lies as well....so I stand by the fact that in God's eyes sin IS the same no matter what the sin. I've seen plain old deception lead to someones death....a little white lie? who's to say How God views it if it's a sin?

Terrywoodenpic · Jul 5, 2005

I don't think all sin is equal Nor do I believe there is a list of things that are sinful.
Sin is mostly in our minds and attitudes. what we do is just the fruit of our thoughts.sins of omission are equally important.
Small sins develop a sinning way of life and can easily lead to larger sins.
If we love God and follow the teachings of Jesus we wont go far wrong. And our sins will be forgiven, for we are all sinners.

Terry
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Katzpur · Jul 5, 2005

fromthe heart said:
Using my own words...yes God I feel sees sin as sin..humanly speaking I feel murder is worse than a lie or comitting adultry. Since God made the rules on a more spiritual level doesn't that make sin the same despite the degree we as humans place on it from OUR own personal perspective?

From a human point of view murder if taking the life from another being. Life can be taken with out it causing physical death...so when a rape occurs(falls under adultery despite it not being a sexual act)it can take what was a normal life and destroy it. there are devastating things that happen from even the tiniest of lies as well....so I stand by the fact that in God's eyes sin IS the same no matter what the sin. I've seen plain old deception lead to someones death....a little white lie? who's to say How God views it if it's a sin?

But in John 19:11, Jesus told those who would ultimately put Him to death, "Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin."

To me this implies that God does see some sins as more serious than others.

fromthe heart · Jul 5, 2005

Katzpur said:
But in John 19:11, Jesus told those who would ultimately put Him to death, "Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath thegreater sin."

To me this implies that God does see some sins as more serious than others.

That is an excellent point Katzpur...I stand corrected!

Uncertaindrummer · Jul 5, 2005

For Christians, clearly not all sin is the same--John pointedly denounced that notion wiht his proclamation that "not all sin is deadly".

I would think that even for non-Christians, though, reason would tell us there is varying degrees of sin. Insulting someone and killing someone cannot be equated.

Shadow Wolf · Jul 5, 2005

In my believes, there is karma. Doing good to others is rewarded by good things happening in your life. Causing harm to others is punished by negative things happening in your life.

But on the subject of sin, I don't see how murder can be on the same level as a lie. Especially if the lie ends up helping someone, such as saving thier job.

Zephyr · Jul 6, 2005

In my beliefs, there are two types of sin, major and minor. I am pretty sure you can figure out what those are. One thing that shocked me at first was that intoxicating yourself was a major sin, but now I see that it takes away one of god's greatest gifts, the brain.

Quiddity · Jul 6, 2005

Zephyr said:
In my beliefs, there are two types of sin, major and minor. I am pretty sure you can figure out what those are. One thing that shocked me at first was that intoxicating yourself was a major sin, but now I see that it takes away one of god's greatest gifts, the brain.

Zephyr, major and minor will most likely be different from religion to religion. Although I agree with you on the intoxication.

~Victor

john313 · Jul 6, 2005

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all."

Quiddity · Jul 6, 2005

john313 said:
James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all."

John, I am unsure as to what your concluding from that. Interpretation vary as I'm sure you are aware of. Can you please clarify.

john313 · Jul 6, 2005

Victor said:
John, I am unsure as to what your concluding from that. Interpretation vary as I'm sure you are aware of. Can you please clarify.

if someone stumbles in 1 part of the law they are guilty of all of it. any sin makes one guilty of breaking the law, all of it.
If the law says (this is only an example) do not kill, steal, cheat, lie. If one only lies, one still breaks the whole law of do not kill steal, cheat, lie.
but like you say, there are many interpretations.

Quiddity · Jul 6, 2005

John, do you think we are under the law?

The Least in Christ
~Victor

john313 · Jul 6, 2005

yes, it would be pointless for James to comment on it if we are not under it, but there is no need to get into that debate

Quiddity · Jul 6, 2005

john313 said:
yes, it would be pointless for James to comment on it if we are not under it, but there is no need to get into that debate

Although I disagree, I will desist and leave it for another day....

~Victor

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