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Unconditional Love VS conditional relationships

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
Victor said:
Yes it does give a time limit. Once you die, time is up. If there was no time limit, why would I anyone even take it serious?
Enhanced, there is a difference between unconditional Love and a conditional relationship. Have you ever heard of an unconditional relationship? All relationships are conditional.

~Victor
EnhancedSpirit said:
Were does the bible say this? Relationships are not suppossed to be conditional. We are told very specificaly that love is not jealous, or demanding, you are supposed to love without expectation. Just because we cannot love unconditionally does not mean that our relationship with God is conditional. He loves you whether you chose heaven or hell.
Hebrews 4:7 God keeps renewing the promise and setting the date as today, just as he did in David's psalm, centuries later than the original invitation: Today, please listen, don't turn a deaf ear . . . 8 And so this is still a live promise. It wasn't canceled at the time of Joshua; otherwise, God wouldn't keep renewing the appointment for "today." 9 The promise of "arrival" and "rest" is still there for God's people. 10 God himself is at rest. And at the end of the journey we'll surely rest with God.11 So let's keep at it and eventually arrive at the place of rest, not drop out through some sort of disobedience.

This is were we get the phrase "no rest for the wicked'. It does not say that you have to ask for forgiveness before your body dies.



God's love is unconditional, we are supposed to love everyone else, as much as God loves us. Agape.



1 Corinthians 13:1 If I speak with human eloquence and angelic ecstasy but don't love, I'm nothing but the creaking of a rusty gate. 2 If I speak God's Word with power, revealing all his mysteries and making everything plain as day, and if I have faith that says to a mountain, "Jump," and it jumps, but I don't love, I'm nothing. 3 If I give everything I own to the poor and even go to the stake to be burned as a martyr, but I don't love, I've gotten nowhere. So, no matter what I say, what I believe, and what I do, I'm bankrupt without love.

4 Love never gives up. Love cares more for others than for self. Love doesn't want what it doesn't have. Love doesn't strut, Doesn't have a swelled head, 5 Doesn't force itself on others, Isn't always "me first," Doesn't fly off the handle, Doesn't keep score of the sins of others, 6 Doesn't revel when others grovel, Takes pleasure in the flowering of truth, 7 Puts up with anything, Trusts God always, Always looks for the best, Never looks back, But keeps going to the end. 8 Love never dies. Inspired speech will be over some day; praying in tongues will end; understanding will reach its limit. 9 We know only a portion of the truth, and what we say about God is always incomplete. 10 But when the Complete arrives, our incompletes will be canceled. 11 When I was an infant at my mother's breast, I gurgled and cooed like any infant. When I grew up, I left those infant ways for good. 12 We don't yet see things clearly. We're squinting in a fog, peering through a mist. But it won't be long before the weather clears and the sun shines bright! We'll see it all then, see it all as clearly as God sees us, knowing him directly just as he knows us! 13 But for right now, until that completeness, we have three things to do to lead us toward that consummation: Trust steadily in God, hope unswervingly, love extravagantly. And the best of the three is love.


 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Hebrews 4:7 God keeps renewing the promise and setting the date as today, just as he did in David's psalm, centuries later than the original invitation: Today, please listen, don't turn a deaf ear . . . 8 And so this is still a live promise. It wasn't canceled at the time of Joshua; otherwise, God wouldn't keep renewing the appointment for "today." 9 The promise of "arrival" and "rest" is still there for God's people. 10 God himself is at rest. And at the end of the journey we'll surely rest with God.11 So let's keep at it and eventually arrive at the place of rest, not drop out through some sort of disobedience.

This is were we get the phrase "no rest for the wicked'. It does not say that you have to ask for forgiveness before your body dies.

Your right it doesn't. But is sure seems to set a time limit. I'll see if I can find a verse that will more clearly show that your time is up as soon as worms begin to eat you.
What is about being forgiven after death that brings any value to life on physical realm? Seems to me that this would be a green light for many to sin til no tommorow. Why not? There is always the afterlife. Kinda like reincarnation, where you a gazillion tries.

God's love is unconditional, we are supposed to love everyone else, as much as God loves us. Agape.


I never objected to this. God's Love certainly is unconditional. What I said was that our relationship with God is conditional. In otherwords God loves you irregardless, but loves you too much to allow you to remain in error.
 

njcl

Active Member
god does not love you unconditionally, "jacob have i loved but esau have i hated"......look throughout the old testament for gods unconditional love towards the philistines,goliath......also blaspheming the holy ghost will not be forgiven therefore its not unconditional love.........if you are talking about his love towards his own then yes i agree with your comments
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
EnhancedSpirit said:
Doesn't God say to love your enemies?
I guess this is a bit 'unfair' - because Itend to agree with you about love - but, could you 'love'(in the religious way of loving, of course) a rapist ? - say if he had raped a good friend of yours, or a member of your family ?:)
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
I guess this is a bit 'unfair' - because Itend to agree with you about love - but, could you 'love'(in the religious way of loving, of course) a rapist ? - say if he had raped a good friend of yours, or a member of your family ?
Perhaps I couldn't. But I'm sure God can.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Victor said:
Perhaps I couldn't. But I'm sure God can.
I am sure you are right; what I was asking though, is ought we to love the rapist - if we try to be what G-d intended ?:help:
 

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
michel said:
I am sure you are right; what I was asking though, is ought we to love the rapist - if we try to be what G-d intended ?:help:
I that person had been brought up in a house free of abuse and neglect, they would likely not be the way the are. We all struggle for 'power'. I have constant power struggles with my 3 year old. I am very careful to stay in power, without making her feel powerless.

Actions against another human cannot go unpunished, but we should also find compassion for them, for their lives must have been really bad, in order for them to have turned out the way they did.
 

njcl

Active Member
some men/rapists are just spawn of satan consumed with lust for female flesh,yes they should be forgiven but only after god has punished them most severly and rooted out satans spirit from them then they can live decent lives without being a danger to women,if you think im being harsh then consider what christ said about christians/women "whoever shall harm one of these little ones who believe in me then better for that man to tie a millstone around his neck and throw himself into the sea" so you see i was being merciful to them
 

Ori

Angel slayer
njcl said:
some men/rapists are just spawn of satan consumed with lust for female flesh,yes they should be forgiven but only after god has punished them most severly and rooted out satans spirit from them then they can live decent lives without being a danger to women,if you think im being harsh then consider what christ said about christians/women "whoever shall harm one of these little ones who believe in me then better for that man to tie a millstone around his neck and throw himself into the sea" so you see i was being merciful to them
Not only men rape you know.
 

Viva

Member
Hello : )

I can instantly help you with your confusion. There is absolutely no such thing as "Conditional Love." This is a cultural cliche that has been repeated so many times for so many years, people start swalllowing it like air.

This is not a Christian concept at all

Hope that helps : )

Viva
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Viva said:
Hello : )

I can instantly help you with your confusion. There is absolutely no such thing as "Conditional Love." This is a cultural cliche that has been repeated so many times for so many years, people start swalllowing it like air.

This is not a Christian concept at all

Hope that helps : )

Viva
Agreed.;)

~Victor
 

true blood

Active Member
Viva said:
Hello : )

I can instantly help you with your confusion. There is absolutely no such thing as "Conditional Love." This is a cultural cliche that has been repeated so many times for so many years, people start swalllowing it like air.

This is not a Christian concept at all

Hope that helps : )

Viva
If "love thy neighbor as thyself", or "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" isn't conditional, I do not know what is. May not be a chrisitan concept, it's more old testament love, the concept of Christians is the agape love. However, "conditional love" is a reality for those who choose to be under the law.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
[color]Philippians 1:1If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. 3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. 4Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. [/color]NIV

This is how Jesus loved us! The best way to love is to crucify yourself daily and to put others FIRST. It's a decision, not an emotion.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
NetDoc said:
[color]Philippians 1:1If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. 3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. 4Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. [/color]NIV

This is how Jesus loved us! The best way to love is to crucify yourself daily and to put others FIRST. It's a decision, not an emotion.
Well said ND, but this is exactly why RELATIONSHIPS cannot be unconditional whether it be in the OT or in the NT. The very fact that a response is required means it's conditional. Does God not expect a response from you?

~Victor
 

fromthe heart

Well-Known Member
You can love unconditional but most relationships in life have emotional conditions. I think it all has top do with the amount of deciet one has dealt with. I love unconditionally but that doesn't mean I don't get my feelings hurt from time to time from expectations not met. There should be no expectations but there always are when you think a person is one way and find later they aren't.


As was already stated we should love other's above ourselves but conditions is an act of human nature.:)
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
There should be no expectations but there always are when you think a person is one way and find later they aren't.
Perhaps for us no, but I'm sure you will agree that God does indeed expect something from us. Loving someone is indeed unconditional, but don't confuse this with a relationship.

~Victor
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Victor,

I really didn't expect a "response" from my daughter or son when I changed their diapers. In fact with the latter, I was routinely peed upon (the little ingrate! :D )
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
NetDoc said:
Victor,

I really didn't expect a "response" from my daughter or son when I changed their diapers. In fact with the latter, I was routinely peed upon (the little ingrate! :D )
Of course not ND...but you will once they begin to understand. ;)

~Victor
 
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