Amill
Apikoros
Have you ever looked at the diversity of the dog family? It's not like it's just wolves and domesticated dogs.
Canidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You can ignore the foxes if you like.
Is this a dog or a fox?
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Difference between Macro and Micro, GIVE IT!
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Have you ever looked at the diversity of the dog family? It's not like it's just wolves and domesticated dogs.
Canidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You can ignore the foxes if you like.
Is this a dog or a fox?
Gunfingers
Happiness Incarnate
Hell, let's go one up from there and look at caniformia, the suborder that includes canidae. It includes Sea Lions!
Haw, that's funny:
Saying Noah's Ark never happened doesn't automatically make it true.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Have you ever looked at the diversity of the dog family? It's not like it's just wolves and domesticated dogs.
Canidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You can ignore the foxes if you like.
Is this a dog or a fox?
Like I said it is a four legged panting slobbering tail wagging animal.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
That family tree hasn't been observed so it is speculation at best, fraud at worst.
How do you figure? They look pretty darned observed in the photographs.
Super Saiya Jinn
Member
So according to your superb logic, a cat is a dog? geez louise. Please please educate yourself!
and before you say no a cat doesn't slobber or pant, you clearly haven't seen my cat.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
No, I'm saying that a dog and their ancestors have always been four legged panting slobbering tail wagging animals. Cats and their ancestors have always been a four legged claw scratching ear rotating fanged animals.
Gabethewiking
Active Member
Man of Faith, as you are the only Creationist that have posted an opinion, I guess I ask you, could you define, a bit better, what the difference between Micro and Macro is suppose to be?
Your definition is rather, empty, can you give it a more detail, when is a Canidae (specifically a Dog) a Canidae? Where is the line between none-Canidae and Canidae? (This will ignore the fact of our actual evolution of more Wolf-like Canidae which you seem to deny).
You need to give us that, where do you draw this line that a Specific Animal is X and not Y? So far you given nothing but a childlike response which could only be equated to ignorance on the subject, I apologize if it sounds insulting, and this is obviously how you would take it, but there it is, to say "a dog (ignoring wolves?) is a fourlegged hairy animal" does not say much, a Human is a two legged 20 fingered (including the toes) animal, just as other Apes, how have my definition helped?
Please give us that.
Added: As the lazy guy I am today, I will include a small quote from the rather useless "information" source known as Wikipedia, but it suits as you seem to have a thing for "four legged and hairy" "cat like" and "dog like" animals: "Carnivorans evolved from miacoids about 55 million years ago during the late Paleocene.[4] Then, about 50 million years ago, the carnivorans split into two main divisions: caniforms (dog-like) and feliforms (cat-like). By 40 million years ago the first clearly identifiable member of the dog family Canidae had arisen."
Your definition is rather, empty, can you give it a more detail, when is a Canidae (specifically a Dog) a Canidae? Where is the line between none-Canidae and Canidae? (This will ignore the fact of our actual evolution of more Wolf-like Canidae which you seem to deny).
You need to give us that, where do you draw this line that a Specific Animal is X and not Y? So far you given nothing but a childlike response which could only be equated to ignorance on the subject, I apologize if it sounds insulting, and this is obviously how you would take it, but there it is, to say "a dog (ignoring wolves?) is a fourlegged hairy animal" does not say much, a Human is a two legged 20 fingered (including the toes) animal, just as other Apes, how have my definition helped?
Please give us that.
Added: As the lazy guy I am today, I will include a small quote from the rather useless "information" source known as Wikipedia, but it suits as you seem to have a thing for "four legged and hairy" "cat like" and "dog like" animals: "Carnivorans evolved from miacoids about 55 million years ago during the late Paleocene.[4] Then, about 50 million years ago, the carnivorans split into two main divisions: caniforms (dog-like) and feliforms (cat-like). By 40 million years ago the first clearly identifiable member of the dog family Canidae had arisen."
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Super Saiya Jinn
Member
So how can you then go on to deny a human is an ape. We have ten fingers, ten toes, a social species, use tools (humans at a much more advanced state) communicate, very similar skulls, organs all in the same place. Adept climbers.
Creationist Logic baffles me beyond belief. You are sincerely some of the most dishonest people i have come across, and i know lawyers!
Right!
Just like whales: they always have been and always will be legless, ocean-dwelling animals.
Oh... wait...
Evolution of cetaceans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
Hi MoF. Are you ready to give us your views on chicken teeth yet?
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Again, never been observed and speculation.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
I have not researched that, sorry. I suspect there is a good explanation at my fingertips on the web. When I get interested I will tweet my sources.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Just because dogs and cats have four legs doesn't mean cats are dogs.
Super Saiya Jinn
Member
It sure does not, i know that, you seem to be unable to actually define what a dog is and what a cat is. It has notihng to do with having four legs panting and wagging of the tail.:bonk:
Would you like to address my human and other apes comparison now?
it's not like we only have one thing in common with apes like fingers and toes is it?
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
I will indeed be forced to apologize because although I am well versed on the subject, I am not a scientist so I won't be able to give all the detailed information that you are looking for. If my posts seem simple it is because I am a simple man, a man of faith. I am not ashamed of that, everybody has their place in this world. If everybody was a scientist who would serve them food and bring their mail?
One of the misconceptions of scientists that are attempting to prop up evolution is saying that look alike creations must have came from each other. That is because they already have a prior believe that all animals came from a common ancestor.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
I thought I already addressed this when I said that look alikes, like dogs and cats doesn't mean they are the same or came from a common ancestor. Same thing with apes and man, we look alike but that doesn't mean we are the same creatures.
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
But the possession of a near-identical broken vitamin C gene suggests recent common ancestry.
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
What it all comes down to is that "species" is a modern term that suggests specialization. Kind is a broader type that has a range of manifestations. Honestly speaking; dogs, wolfs, foxes, wild dogs are likely all related in kind. That kind possessed a potential range that GOD foreordained. Kinds have a potential of change within limitations.
As a Christian, I do imagine that GOD created specific kinds. These kinds began to vary. The FLOOD happened. A select sampling of the kinds was chosen by GOD to be saved on the ark. After the FLOOD, these kinds began to express their variations once again, so that over 6 thousand years or so, we have multiple examples of frogs, cats, dogs, cattle, sheep, elephants, beetles, flies, etc... I have no problem accepting this line of reasoning in light of the Biblical Epic.
As a Christian, I do imagine that GOD created specific kinds. These kinds began to vary. The FLOOD happened. A select sampling of the kinds was chosen by GOD to be saved on the ark. After the FLOOD, these kinds began to express their variations once again, so that over 6 thousand years or so, we have multiple examples of frogs, cats, dogs, cattle, sheep, elephants, beetles, flies, etc... I have no problem accepting this line of reasoning in light of the Biblical Epic.