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So, I was just thinking, what did Jesus sacrifice?

[WURM]

SophiaSeeker
I do not believe in god, Satan is my Father, and I believe that Jesus is a stolen figurehead. I just wanted to state that before I go on. I am trying to present this from a skeptic point of view, so anyway. I've been thinking, what exactly did Jesus sacrifice? Jesus supposedly always knew he was going to die, and he also knew he was god. So really in the long run, yeah he suffered or whatever, but then he knew he would be in paradise. So in my opinion, he didn't sacrifice much.

Anyways, I'm done with my rambling.

Hail Satan

Hey apostle!

I like what you are bringing up here. Assuming doctrine is correct - what did Jesus actually sacrifice? We know he had all to gain from doing so - saving us for our sins, for his own godhood, to shed his human cage...etc. The odds are stacked more in favor of selfishness than selflessness. So, are his gains more a byproduct of his good deed or are his gains the ultimate goal of his deed? Only a God would know, I suppose.

I deeper thought is brought up in the Lyrics of Deathspell Omega:

"Was there not an inconceivable loss of knowledge at Bethlehem?
Christ's abasement, His subjecting Himself to the laws of human birth
And growth and to the lowliness of fallen human nature...
"

Their are two questions here: What exactly did Christ give up in becoming human and why did he do so? For the former, was Christ retaining all his unknowable aspects of the omnipotent being or was he really just human for this earthly existence? For the latter, it would seem Christ's choice could be based on your question. If Christ sacrificed his unknowable aspects to become man, solely to die and save us, then his death was not the actual sacrifice but his abasement would be. If Christ didn't loose his omnipotence upon becoming human, then, to me, there appears to be no really sacrifice going on expect the minor (for a god) pain he suffered at Gol'gotha.

Make sense?
 

seraphimoflucifer

Seraphim Of The Most High
[WURM];1883322 said:
"Was there not an inconceivable loss of knowledge at Bethlehem?
Christ's abasement, His subjecting Himself to the laws of human birth
And growth and to the lowliness of fallen human nature...
"

Brilliant
 

Klaufi_Wodensson

Vinlandic Warrior
[WURM];1883322 said:
Hey apostle!

I like what you are bringing up here. Assuming doctrine is correct - what did Jesus actually sacrifice? We know he had all to gain from doing so - saving us for our sins, for his own godhood, to shed his human cage...etc. The odds are stacked more in favor of selfishness than selflessness. So, are his gains more a byproduct of his good deed or are his gains the ultimate goal of his deed? Only a God would know, I suppose.

I deeper thought is brought up in the Lyrics of Deathspell Omega:

"Was there not an inconceivable loss of knowledge at Bethlehem?
Christ's abasement, His subjecting Himself to the laws of human birth
And growth and to the lowliness of fallen human nature..."

Their are two questions here: What exactly did Christ give up in becoming human and why did he do so? For the former, was Christ retaining all his unknowable aspects of the omnipotent being or was he really just human for this earthly existence? For the latter, it would seem Christ's choice could be based on your question. If Christ sacrificed his unknowable aspects to become man, solely to die and save us, then his death was not the actual sacrifice but his abasement would be. If Christ didn't loose his omnipotence upon becoming human, then, to me, there appears to be no really sacrifice going on expect the minor (for a god) pain he suffered at Gol'gotha.

Make sense?


Makes perfect sense. I see what you are trying to say. Those are exactly the kinds of things I was thinking of, which was the reason for me posting this.
 

Xafwak

XFWK
I understand Apostle of Lucifer´s point on Jesus, but I´m not certain this topic should be on a LHP section. Jesus and the issues about him should be presented on RHP sections or on a debate.

Apostle, I suspect you will not find a christian point of view from here, you should take it to them, phrase it as a sincere question and you´ll get a sincere answer (or rather, a multitude of answers from different sects).

I don´t understand the logic behind Jesus myth either, but it is not my field, since I´m not an anti-christian satanist.
 
Jesus would come back today , a Satanist , what a tottal A#$hole his father was , (or so to say )
alott of idiots believe it was something of a modle truth ? Satan didnt kill any one , the spritualist all have their records , bunck of screw ups , i have to respect them , god knows i dont need them on my wagon , ugg, let their god rapture them up , and finaaly leave us alone for good , BY BY !!!! joey
 
I sure as hell wouldnt sacrifice anything , anyone who would pull the wings off a butterfly , is pretty sick , but everyone seems to think it is some sort of good ? i read the book , and find it to be something a drug addit wrote , bunch of dummies over their ... I can take away all that worry , "who can make A Sunrise ! " (old Sammy Davis Jr tune) .. Sprincle it with Dew ! cover it with love and make the World Taste good ! S A T A N !
 

Valor

Active Member
I sure as hell wouldnt sacrifice anything , anyone who would pull the wings off a butterfly , is pretty sick , but everyone seems to think it is some sort of good ? i read the book , and find it to be something a drug addit wrote , bunch of dummies over their ... I can take away all that worry , "who can make A Sunrise ! " (old Sammy Davis Jr tune) .. Sprincle it with Dew ! cover it with love and make the World Taste good ! S A T A N !

Well said...thanks for the smile and song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqHxoYXmND8

Excelsi. Valor.
 
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Christians believe that he sacrificed himself so that he could pay for their sins.
-Dot
sounds like a guilt trip . wait till you get to heaven , then they will rub your noise in it , Rmember what i did for you , hell 1 / 3 rd , must have not liked it too much , thats alot to be cast aside over, I will exault my self Chairman , Im My own Enviroment , that is so pleasing to myself , In all that i wanted , My door opens by Appointment only , I might just be masterbating , Ill bet you cant do that in heaven of glory bright ? : ) joey
 
as much sin as their is in the world, ill bet the cross was painfull indeed , Im not into law breaking , looting , or any of that , infact, poeple who dont know respocablility , shouldnt have freedome, i dont know what youd call'" hitler, and all these mass murderers ", we dont know what they are? we dont cator to jail birds. in fact we could clean things up , right nicely ,
Joey
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
by incarnating, Christ essentially became the union of all opposites

as such then the sacrifice of christ is one that is like a flute, a flute is just a flute, but it is only when you blow the flute does it make music. As such then, Christ is like draino...clearing the pipes in your sink..so that water can flow..and all opposites can be united.

consider this:

there are only 3 movements in the universe

circular
straight line

and obtuse (changing direction mid flow, like a snake, lightning... etc)

Obtuse is made up of circular and straight line movements, as such, obtuse is both circular and straight line. But is neither.
 
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