301ouncer
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Sorry Brother Ba'al for taking over your discussion. I have put it back to where it was:
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Did Jesus say he was God???
- Thread starter Muffled
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According to Scripture at John (14:19) the world would see Jesus No more after he went to heaven (Heb 9:24). However, the world would see, with their mind's eye, so to speak, because both Isaiah (11:4) and Rev (19:11,15) inform us that the words from Jesus mouth will be like a sharp two-edged executioner's sword that he, with his angelic armies, will use against those against him. Then will start Jesus 1000-year rule over earth. It will be a heavenly rule, not only with heavenly co-rulers (Rev 5:9,10) but also with earthly subjects as citizens of God's kingdom government over earth. -Daniel 7:13,14; 2:44; Isa 9:7;
Psalm 37:11,29,38; 92:7; Proverbs 2:21,22; 10:30.
Since Scripture was written by about 40 different persons, then it is the report of more than one person.
Did Jesus think he was the Son of God? Besides the words of John's Gospel, at Matthew 27:43 the people said that Jesus said: he [Jesus] is the Son of God.
Decades after Jesus was resurrected by God to heaven Jesus still believed he was the Son of God at Rev 2:18. In heaven Jesus still believed he had a God- Rev 3:12.
arimoff
Active Member
the report of who? how many of those 40 different persons actually witnessed Jesus? I also know people who know people, who know people, but how is that makes him in to what he is claimed to be? To make a G-D for your self based on claims of people who are also influenced by claim of others is absurd.
To the nation of Israelites the Constitution of the Mosaic law was not absurd for 1,500 years. Not only did their Constitution show details how the nation functioned the genealogical records preserved the necessary identification about the Messiah.
Jesus would be a descendant of King David the promised 'son' of David.
(2 Sam 7:12,13; Luke 1:32, 3:23-31)
What other religious book could claim to direct, instruct and correct, lasting from the time of the Wilderness of Sinai, through the Promised Land, Babylonian Exile, Roman Empire and now earth wide in our day.
People out of all nations become genuine followers of Christ no matter where they live on earth. A few year back I recall that the lighthouse keeper's wife in Antarctica was Christian. Acts (1:8) to the uttermost part, far end, of the earth, or how extensive the Good News of God's kingdom would be proclaimed and now is. As it was written, so it is.
Muffled
Jesus in me
If Jesus was not God in the flesh then He wasn't at the beginning because only God was at the beginning. The fact that Jesus was at the beginning proves that He is God.
On the contrary, if you believe that Jesus isn't God you are an antichrist. The whole concept of a Messiah (Christ) is that He will have the power to deliver His people as Moses did. However Moses could not die in place of God because it just wouldn't be good enough.
Muffled
Jesus in me
[FONT="]You only see Jesus referred to as God in the annoymous gospel of John, which was the gospel to be written last. Which coincides with many other religious teachers in that they are viewed as God long after they are dead!!![/FONT]
I guess by this standard the Qu'ran can be discounted as well for being last written.
This doesn't work very well since Jesus lives and had revealed Himself alive to those who wrote the gospels.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Both of these things are still conceivable. He will be 40 in 2014 and the area He comes from has a wide variety of ethnicities, so a red head isn't out of the question. He isn't revealing Himself though because the Anti-Christ has center stage.
However, Hadith's are not totally reliable. This one is really suspect as a word of Mohammed and sounds like a latter day prophecy from one of his followers.
301ouncer
Well-Known Member
Is this the mystical vision of Paul "pharisee son of a pharisee". The infiltrator and instigator of the killing of James the brother of Jesus pbuh?
I really recommend you come to my thread and read the history and my research that is based on evidence. You will be shocked at the agenda of the Pharisee Political Party.
David69
Angel Of The North
Hi 301ouncer, Thanks for your reply.
I only speak because I am trying to understand the beleifs of muslims and the Jews and also to find myself.
This is a lofty claim... I am the Messiah! In my opinion. Allow me to talk of how I came to this!
every since I can remember, I have experienced strange happenings, hauntings etc
I didnt speak until I was five but my mind communicated in different ways.
I couldnt look at a live surgery without being ill and when I heard people complain of there illnesses etc I would suffer it for them (didnt realise at the time) My mother says I was a hypocondriac. I thought Religion was just evil and I seen that through new eyes, untainted. I seen the world for what it was. Through out my life I would suffer and be held back from moving on in my life. I wondered who this evil vampire like person that would manifest to scare the living daylights out of me. I would sit in a world of my own and see things that I didnt understand! I would go to the Doctors evry so often bel;eiving I was dying. I would get the symptoms and feel the pain etc.
I beleived I wasnt mad because people around me would witness and experience so called hauntings and the unexplainable. When I was 37 or 36 I started going to online Occult forums just to try and understand what was happening and to put names to the things that I experience and I understood things and new things what people were talking about. And I had this knowledge only through personal experience and not through any book! I was recognised by people that had been learning majics and studdying the unknown for more years that I have lived because they recognised the truth in my words. I knew stuff that I shouldnt and that they didnt!
I started knowing things about people that only they knew and got labelled a subconscious communicator! In their opinion. very rare and most powerfull majic!
So I quickly found myself and all my dreams and visions etc were becoming clearer and with every new realisation of myself filled in the empty spaces of the big picture. When I started reading about Lucifer, It was like they were talking about me. That was scary thinking that I was the Devil incarnate... but it became more complicated as I realised God and Jesus too. And that I am a part of them. And I see how the world sees them too but they see different than I do!!! Now I am sitting on the fence here and see peple seamingly obsessed with who says what and which is the truth etc and I wond deny that it it hurfull and a bit upsetting etc.
And I aim to put a stop to it!!! We should accept each other and embrace each other as brothers and sisters.
Its strange that I seen myself as atheist and still feel the same only because I dont recognise Religion. Ive always felt it as evil but now understand that it isnt Religion itsself but the evil manipulation within.
I Read about Phrophecys and of the way jesus was portraid and missunderstood. I read of how the Jews turned on him and he on them and I see a lot of manipulation and bitterness, anger and Death!!! In the name of who? The manipulators!!! IMHO
Theres a Jewish prophet that dieed a few years back and he knew that I was here! he left some papers behind but most secrets havent been reveiled and only those close to the prophet knows the truth. Little that I read just backed up and cemented my beleives and what I already felt and knew deep down.
Theres been things spoken by prophets that they themselves dont know the meaning of.
I read that I will declare myself to a jew and I already had and he is now a friend of mine and he just happens to be the only Jew that I know. And he knows first hand of my communication! If he thought that I was taking the mickey out of him, he would have dismissed me and been insulted!
He knew me for a very long time and told me that I am the only person that he knows that gets a desease, diagnoses the disease and then heales the desease and then gets better!!! We talked once about something I was sufferering from and at the end of it I told him that I have to make an apointment at the shropatist and he told me that I dont and that he has clippers and he would cut my nails. I told him that his clippers wont work because they are realy thick and hard and his clippers wont do. He went to the drawers and he was repeating himself: "Strange; strange; Strannnnnnnnnge!" He says that the strange this is that he was on his way to work and for no reason at all and without even thinking about it, he drove out of his way
And went into the chemist! The Jew reached into the drawer and said: "I came out of the chemist with these!" and he showed me these huge pair of nail clippers!!!
It wasnt the Doctor I new, his movements were slow and so was his speech. When he finished cutting and filing my nails down, he stood up and leaned over and strained his eyes at me and said: Thoooooosssse Eyyyyyyyyes! and I knew that he was some relevence to me! that was a nearly 2years ago. Suposedly the Jewish Rabbi prophet that died says that I will Rise when some high up holyman dies and the name was named and he went into a coma in 2006 and he is still hanging on for the day 4yrs later.... The time is nigh my friend!
I am at the moment been seen by health proffecionals and ofcource they will only see Psycosis but theres problems that conflicts with there knowledge and understanding about the subject. I see, here and know things but they dont understand and when I asked if I had psycosis they looked embarressed (psycosis experts/proffecionals) My GP asked me what they said and I said that they says that Maybe, I have psycosis a little bit, but its alllll that detail! and even if many people that I claim, come forward and back up my stories it cannot be proved. I noticed my GP smiling and nodding as though it was how he expected there reaction to be!! I told The Doctor that their psycotic drugs dont work the way that they expect but they only help my sleep disorder!
Even the toughest nuts will crack to let in the glorious light!!!
Anyways just Rambling on! Maybe I should start a thread and talk there. Sorry if I have Rambled off topic!
David.
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AK4
Well-Known Member
No maybe you just cant discern spiritual things and you believe in contradictions
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301ouncer
Well-Known Member
If you could open a thread and will try my best to contribute. It sounds like a Jinn is bothering you. Jinns are the second type of creation. Huge subject. They have nations, childeren, religions, etc. Just like us they live in paralle to our existance. If you cross when of them and annoy them they will make your life miserable. They live in unclean places but we can not see them. We have been taught by our messanger to say different prayers when entering such unclean places. If you do then you get protection from the jinn. If you do not do the rememberances then you have no protection and could have stepped on one of their childeren and the parents Jinn are after you ever since.
Open a thread and will try to help in anyway I can. But it is not an easy thing to have.
David69
Angel Of The North
Thanks. I havent heard Jinns! I dont think they have anything to do with me.
I am of Lucifer imo I will start a thread so I can keep all my Ramblings in one place.
David69.
Muffled
Jesus in me
This is all off topic but feel free to start a thread. My suggestion though is that you pick out your most urgent need, keep it simple and short.