Gabethewiking
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Why is gold so important to god? It is all over the bible.. Why is god so materialistic?
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Please bear in mind and place these events in a time period perspectives, where the only two major religions of the world at that time were that of Judaism and Christianity. Namely the Pharisee Rabbanical Political Party (PPP) and Jesus pbuh and his very earliest followers.
Wiki Source:
"The Pharisees were a political party that flourished during the Second Temple Era (536 BCE–70 CE)"
After the half accomplished initial aims and objectives of the Pharisees we move on to the secondary stages of the PPP. This was if we remember that of:
Pharisees Rabbinical Political Party Manifesto: Christ and his followers are No.1 enemy and extremely dangerous to our Pharisee Rabbinical Political Party structure.
Pharisee Rabbinical Political Party's (PPP) Secondary Aims and Objectives:
1. Politically driven espionage (Smoke and Mirrors)
2. Politically driven infiltration (Inward enemy)
3. Politically driven sabotage (Corruption)
301ouncer
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Will use this formula to aid my research into the secondary Aims of (PPP) and base it upon previous facts and evidences:
1. Original Old Testament + Original New Testament:
"For early Jewish Christians the Bible consisted of the Old Testament and some Jewish apocryphal literature. Along with this written authority went traditions, chiefly oral, of sayings attributed to Jesus. On the other hand, authors who belonged to the 'Hellenistic Wing' of the Church refer more frequently to writings that later came to be included in the New Testament. At the same time, however, they very rarely regarded such documents as 'Scripture'.
"The original copies of the NT books have, of course, long since disappeared. This fact should not cause surprise. In the first place, they were written on papyrus, a very fragile and perishable material. In the second place, and probably of even more importance, the original copies of the NT books were not looked upon as scripture by those of the early Christian communities." [George Arthur Buttrick (Ed.), The Interpreter's Dictionary Of The Bible, Volume 1, pp. 599 (Under Text, NT).]
2. Pharisees/Infiltrators to Cause Disunity:
Introducing Paul and other unknowns Pharisee Political Agents to infiltrate enemy ranks and inturn accomplish his mission of causing disunity among the early christinas and future generations. He successfully achived the full aims and objectives of his masters by introducing Polythesim and Paganisim into the Pure teachings of Jesus pbuh. Namely "for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in." (Matthew 23:13)
The Pharisees have been made notable by references in the New Testament to conflicts between themselves and John the Baptist and with Jesus.
“The home of the Lizard and spider. Serpents and brood of vipers. How can anyone of you escape damnation”
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs--beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people's bones and all corruption.
3. Polytheism and Paganism By way of Corruption:
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Paul Romans 6:23)
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever beliveth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
4. No Salvation to future generations:
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in." (Matthew 23:13)
Result: Pharisee Rabbinical Political Party accomplishes victory over Jesus and his true followers.
Formula: NT+Pharisees = Polytheism = No Salvation = PPP & Judaism Victory.
1. Original Old Testament + Original New Testament:
"For early Jewish Christians the Bible consisted of the Old Testament and some Jewish apocryphal literature. Along with this written authority went traditions, chiefly oral, of sayings attributed to Jesus. On the other hand, authors who belonged to the 'Hellenistic Wing' of the Church refer more frequently to writings that later came to be included in the New Testament. At the same time, however, they very rarely regarded such documents as 'Scripture'.
"The original copies of the NT books have, of course, long since disappeared. This fact should not cause surprise. In the first place, they were written on papyrus, a very fragile and perishable material. In the second place, and probably of even more importance, the original copies of the NT books were not looked upon as scripture by those of the early Christian communities." [George Arthur Buttrick (Ed.), The Interpreter's Dictionary Of The Bible, Volume 1, pp. 599 (Under Text, NT).]
2. Pharisees/Infiltrators to Cause Disunity:
Introducing Paul and other unknowns Pharisee Political Agents to infiltrate enemy ranks and inturn accomplish his mission of causing disunity among the early christinas and future generations. He successfully achived the full aims and objectives of his masters by introducing Polythesim and Paganisim into the Pure teachings of Jesus pbuh. Namely "for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in." (Matthew 23:13)
The Pharisees have been made notable by references in the New Testament to conflicts between themselves and John the Baptist and with Jesus.
“The home of the Lizard and spider. Serpents and brood of vipers. How can anyone of you escape damnation”
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs--beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people's bones and all corruption.
3. Polytheism and Paganism By way of Corruption:
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Paul Romans 6:23)
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever beliveth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
4. No Salvation to future generations:
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in." (Matthew 23:13)
Result: Pharisee Rabbinical Political Party accomplishes victory over Jesus and his true followers.
Formula: NT+Pharisees = Polytheism = No Salvation = PPP & Judaism Victory.
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301ouncer
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Pharisee Rabbinical Political Party's (PPP) Secondary Aims and Objectives:
1. Politically driven espionage (Smoke and Mirrors)
Within the New Testament, Paul's conversion experience is discussed in both Paul's own letters and in the book known by the title Acts of the Apostles. In both instances, the conversion experience is described to be miraculous or revelatory in nature. According to both sources, Paul never met Jesus and was not a follower of Jesus. Although Paul refers to himself as an "Apostle" of Jesus, it is clear that Paul was not one of "The Twelve". His Apostleship is very much questionable by Christian critics.
Paul's conversion occurred after Jesus's leaving earth, and the accounts of Paul's conversion experience describe it as miraculous, supernatural, or otherwise revelatory in nature.
Paul was also sought after by the Pharisees to make it a true SMOKE and MIRRORS operation to the last letter. The Pharisees also tried to make it appear that they wanted him killed or assassinated without any success, how conveniently!! For sure they all were planning and plotting to dupe the masses of Christians that he was one of their brotheren and an Apostle. Operation Smoke and Mirrors was to last as long as possible for the corruption of scripture is complete.
1. Politically driven espionage (Smoke and Mirrors)
Within the New Testament, Paul's conversion experience is discussed in both Paul's own letters and in the book known by the title Acts of the Apostles. In both instances, the conversion experience is described to be miraculous or revelatory in nature. According to both sources, Paul never met Jesus and was not a follower of Jesus. Although Paul refers to himself as an "Apostle" of Jesus, it is clear that Paul was not one of "The Twelve". His Apostleship is very much questionable by Christian critics.
Paul's conversion occurred after Jesus's leaving earth, and the accounts of Paul's conversion experience describe it as miraculous, supernatural, or otherwise revelatory in nature.
Paul was also sought after by the Pharisees to make it a true SMOKE and MIRRORS operation to the last letter. The Pharisees also tried to make it appear that they wanted him killed or assassinated without any success, how conveniently!! For sure they all were planning and plotting to dupe the masses of Christians that he was one of their brotheren and an Apostle. Operation Smoke and Mirrors was to last as long as possible for the corruption of scripture is complete.
301ouncer
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2. Politically driven infiltration (Inward enemy)
“A Pharisee, the Son of a Pharisee”
Acts 23:6 “Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee. I stand on trial because of my hope in the resurrection of the dead."
Paul as a Pharisee and Persecutor of Christians:
Prior to his conversion, Paul was a Pharisee (Phil. 3.4-6) and a persecutor of Christians (Gal. 1.13-15). The reason for his persecution of Christians is not entirely clear. Paul was probably a bit of an unusual case. Most Jews did not persecute Christians, even though there may have been tension between Christian and Jewish communities. Paul seems to have been especially a zealous pharisee.
“A Pharisee, the Son of a Pharisee”
Acts 23:6 “Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee. I stand on trial because of my hope in the resurrection of the dead."
Paul as a Pharisee and Persecutor of Christians:
Prior to his conversion, Paul was a Pharisee (Phil. 3.4-6) and a persecutor of Christians (Gal. 1.13-15). The reason for his persecution of Christians is not entirely clear. Paul was probably a bit of an unusual case. Most Jews did not persecute Christians, even though there may have been tension between Christian and Jewish communities. Paul seems to have been especially a zealous pharisee.
301ouncer
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3. Politically driven sabotage (Corruption):
The clear cut evidence of corruption and the introduction of new concepts of paganism and polytheism into the teachings of Jesus by the envious, hatred filled the Pharisees and their agents.
This is only some of the corruption perpetrated by the agents for the sole advantage of the Pharisee Rabbinical Political Party Manifesto:
1. Monothisim to Polythesim and Paganisim. Mark 12:29 "The first of all the commandments is, Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord."
Mark 61 “But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
Mark 62 “And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”
Matt 21:10-11 “Who is this? So the multitudes said, This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee."
Jesus evolves from Son of Man in gospel 1 into God or Son of God By gospel 4:
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever beliveth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Holyghost becoming ever increasingly inconsistent and unpredictable as the gospels are re-written by unknowns.
2. Paul displays and introduces his own doctrines; that being of Trinity, Redemption by the blood (Paul was fully responsible for this particular doctrine), Incarnation (which is found in pagan religions)
3. Paul created a doctrine about “salvation through the cross” while discarding the teachings of Jesus in its totality.
4. He established the falsehood that “faith in the resurrection” is the way to salvation while totally rejecting the sayings of Jesus (Matthew 9:13, 12:7, Hosea 6:6, Micah 8:7-8)
5. Paul nullified and contradicted the point of Baptism (Be-heading of John the Baptist!)
6. This list could go on for few pages more.
The clear cut evidence of corruption and the introduction of new concepts of paganism and polytheism into the teachings of Jesus by the envious, hatred filled the Pharisees and their agents.
This is only some of the corruption perpetrated by the agents for the sole advantage of the Pharisee Rabbinical Political Party Manifesto:
1. Monothisim to Polythesim and Paganisim. Mark 12:29 "The first of all the commandments is, Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord."
Mark 61 “But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
Mark 62 “And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”
Matt 21:10-11 “Who is this? So the multitudes said, This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee."
Jesus evolves from Son of Man in gospel 1 into God or Son of God By gospel 4:
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever beliveth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Holyghost becoming ever increasingly inconsistent and unpredictable as the gospels are re-written by unknowns.
2. Paul displays and introduces his own doctrines; that being of Trinity, Redemption by the blood (Paul was fully responsible for this particular doctrine), Incarnation (which is found in pagan religions)
3. Paul created a doctrine about “salvation through the cross” while discarding the teachings of Jesus in its totality.
4. He established the falsehood that “faith in the resurrection” is the way to salvation while totally rejecting the sayings of Jesus (Matthew 9:13, 12:7, Hosea 6:6, Micah 8:7-8)
5. Paul nullified and contradicted the point of Baptism (Be-heading of John the Baptist!)
6. This list could go on for few pages more.
301ouncer
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Formula:
NT + Pharisees = Polytheism/Paganisim = No Salvation = PPP & Judaism Victory.
Paul “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever beliveth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in."
Formula:
NT - Pharisees = Monotheism/Unitarian = Salvation = Jesus & Islam Victory.
Mark 12:29 "The first of all the commandments is, Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord."
Mark 62 “And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”
"Why do you call me good? NO one is good but ONE, that is GOD. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
NT + Pharisees = Polytheism/Paganisim = No Salvation = PPP & Judaism Victory.
Paul “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever beliveth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in."
Formula:
NT - Pharisees = Monotheism/Unitarian = Salvation = Jesus & Islam Victory.
Mark 12:29 "The first of all the commandments is, Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord."
Mark 62 “And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”
"Why do you call me good? NO one is good but ONE, that is GOD. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
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301ouncer
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"And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
(Aal-e-Imran 3:54)
"A (long) respite will I grant them: truly powerful is My plan.
(Al-Qalam 68:45)
"Did He not make their treacherous plan go astray?
(Al-fil 105:2)
This is really the basics for my research. there is more information that I could add but for now want to open the thread for disscussion or comments. Thank you for bearing with me.
(Aal-e-Imran 3:54)
"A (long) respite will I grant them: truly powerful is My plan.
(Al-Qalam 68:45)
"Did He not make their treacherous plan go astray?
(Al-fil 105:2)
This is really the basics for my research. there is more information that I could add but for now want to open the thread for disscussion or comments. Thank you for bearing with me.
301ouncer
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God is not materialisitc but the man is. Everything belongs in the universe to him Alone.
Man ever in presuite of wealth and materialisim. That is evident in the man inspired scripture of multiple mentions of materialisim. it really shows. doesn't it?
I believe there only 2 to 3 mentions of Gold and Silver in the Quran and 2 of them were part of the Islamic finance system.
If you go back and read the research hopefully it would become clearler to you Gabe.
LoTrobador
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In the first century, Christianity still wasn't a major religion of the world. As for Judaism, there were different movements within it, of which the Pharisees were only one, not the only. Plus different nations had their own religions, and unless there were more Jews than Celts, Romans, Greeks, than the population of Indian subcontinent, basically than any other nation, then Judaism wasn't one of "the only two major religions of the world". Even the Palestine at that time was quite diverse with respect to culture and religion.
301ouncer
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The pharisees were the victorious sect out of all other sects the Sadducees and Essenes.
True christianiy of Jesus pbuh and his very earliest followers where No.1 enemy and challange to Judaism. Number of followers was not the issue. They were the only two monolithic religions in the world.
It is all to do with political power through religion. Corrupt the religion through infiltration and you have a disunited members. No unity No Success. Who will have the upper hand at the end?
Islam was nowhere to be seen then but they forgot that GOD almighty had other plans in place.
All other religions were pagan or polyithestic in nature therefore they possed no threat to new adherants.
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LoTrobador
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But not at the time of Jesus.
Monotheistic, maybe? Yup, probably the only two monotheistic religions in the world. Monolithic? Judaism wasn't monolithic at that time, as it was composed of various movements. As for Christianity - I guess it depends on one's definition of 'Christianity'...
I'm not really sure what do you mean by "they possed no threat to new adherants", but still they were 'bigger' than Judaism and Christianity.
301ouncer
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At the time of John the baptist and his beheading. please re-read the research.
They had their own infiltrating pharisees. Why John and Jesus pbuh were sent?
No one can defeat the true knowledge of Monothesim no matter how bigger of armis they had. Please chech on history of battles between pagans and monothists.
Nice talking to you by the way.:slap:
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LoTrobador
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At the time of John the Baptist the Second Temple of Jerusalem still did stand, the Saducees still were a prominent group; the Pharisees were prominent as well, but one could argue, that they were not 'victorious' over Saducees at least untill the period after the destruction of the Temple. As for their influence on the death of John the Baptist, historical sources don't mention it.
And nice to talk to you too.
301ouncer
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At the time of John the Baptist the Second Temple of Jerusalem still did stand, the Saducees still were a prominent group; the Pharisees were prominent as well, but one could argue, that they were not 'victorious' over Saducees at least untill the period after the destruction of the Temple. As for their influence on the death of John the Baptist, historical sources don't mention it.
And nice to talk to you too.
I see your point and I do have some more information that I have not included yet. The main point is that the pharisees became the prominent group and that is a fact. Their infiltration through their agents is very clear and their corruption that Jesus warned of was also very clear.
301ouncer
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I dont know if the apocryphal scriptures are (in)correct, the point i am willing to make here is WHO decides/defines what is (non) canonic?
the Biblical canon is the only form acceptable, right?
just ran into somethings interesting... non canonic scriptures as legends?
Quote:
FREE EBOOK: The Apocryphal Jesus: Legends of the Early Church
by J. K. Elliott. 214 pgs.
http://www.questia.com/library/book/...-k-elliott.jsp
REVIEW ON AMAZON
Product Description
When J.K. Elliott's magisterial edition of The Apocryphal New Testament was published in 1994, it was greeted with universal acclaim. An expanded and revised edition of M.R. James's classic Apocryphal New Testament, with all new translations, the book was hailed as "an essential work for students of the New Testament and related literature" by the Journal of Religion and and as "a fascinating source of information" by the Churchman. Now, Elliott has abridged that volume to create The Apocryphal Jesus. Designed for the general reader, clergy, and student, the book collects the most interesting of the early Christian texts about Jesus that didn't make the Bible, ranging from stories of his birth in a cave, his childhood escapades, and his secret sayings, to his descent to the underworld, the torments of Hell, Saint Paul baptizing a lion, the death of Pontius Pilate, and many others. Throughout, Elliott provides helpful introductions to each of the most important and significant of these texts, which have had a profound influence on art, literature, and theology from the second century through the Middle Ages and even into modern times. bizarre apocryphal texts.
the Biblical canon is the only form acceptable, right?
just ran into somethings interesting... non canonic scriptures as legends?
Quote:
FREE EBOOK: The Apocryphal Jesus: Legends of the Early Church
by J. K. Elliott. 214 pgs.
http://www.questia.com/library/book/...-k-elliott.jsp
REVIEW ON AMAZON
Product Description
When J.K. Elliott's magisterial edition of The Apocryphal New Testament was published in 1994, it was greeted with universal acclaim. An expanded and revised edition of M.R. James's classic Apocryphal New Testament, with all new translations, the book was hailed as "an essential work for students of the New Testament and related literature" by the Journal of Religion and and as "a fascinating source of information" by the Churchman. Now, Elliott has abridged that volume to create The Apocryphal Jesus. Designed for the general reader, clergy, and student, the book collects the most interesting of the early Christian texts about Jesus that didn't make the Bible, ranging from stories of his birth in a cave, his childhood escapades, and his secret sayings, to his descent to the underworld, the torments of Hell, Saint Paul baptizing a lion, the death of Pontius Pilate, and many others. Throughout, Elliott provides helpful introductions to each of the most important and significant of these texts, which have had a profound influence on art, literature, and theology from the second century through the Middle Ages and even into modern times. bizarre apocryphal texts.
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301ouncer
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Addition:
2. Pharisees/Infiltrators to Cause Disunity:
Introducing Paul and other unknowns Pharisee Political Agents to infiltrate enemy ranks and inturn accomplish his mission of causing disunity among the early christinas and future generations. He successfully achived the full aims and objectives of his masters by introducing Polythesim and Paganisim into the Pure teachings of Jesus pbuh. Namely "for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in." (Matthew 23:13)
The Pharisees have been made notable by references in the New Testament to conflicts between themselves and John the Baptist and with Jesus.
“The home of the Lizard and spider. Serpents and brood of vipers. How can anyone of you escape damnation”
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs--beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people's bones and all corruption.
2. Pharisees/Infiltrators to Cause Disunity:
Introducing Paul and other unknowns Pharisee Political Agents to infiltrate enemy ranks and inturn accomplish his mission of causing disunity among the early christinas and future generations. He successfully achived the full aims and objectives of his masters by introducing Polythesim and Paganisim into the Pure teachings of Jesus pbuh. Namely "for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in." (Matthew 23:13)
The Pharisees have been made notable by references in the New Testament to conflicts between themselves and John the Baptist and with Jesus.
“The home of the Lizard and spider. Serpents and brood of vipers. How can anyone of you escape damnation”
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs--beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people's bones and all corruption.
301ouncer
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Include the evil lizards and spiders, Serpants and brood vipers in the equation and you have total destructive Corruption.
NT + Pharisees = Polytheism/Paganisim = No Salvation = PPP & Judaism Victory.
Takeout the evil lizards and spiders, Serpants and brood vipers out of the equation and you have perfection.
NT - Pharisees = Monotheism/Unitarian = Salvation = Jesus & Islam Victory.
NT + Pharisees = Polytheism/Paganisim = No Salvation = PPP & Judaism Victory.
Takeout the evil lizards and spiders, Serpants and brood vipers out of the equation and you have perfection.
NT - Pharisees = Monotheism/Unitarian = Salvation = Jesus & Islam Victory.