Uncertaindrummer
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Certainly you know I would believe that those women do not truly have the calling to the priesthood. The religious life? Certainly. There ARE religious lives open to women.Pah said:It still doesn't - nor does it recognize rights for men. Even the 19th Amendment, commonally called "Women's Suffrage Rights", is gender neutral. .But the interpretations of the Constitution have, through most of it's history, been male for male purposes. The 19th was required because the Supreme Court did not hold the 15th to apply to women as voting citizens (don't know the case offhand) and states were joining in that precedent. It has ALWAYS been male interpretation be it Constitutional (until Justice O'Connel took the bench) or Biblical.
I do! (er, ... did) Ah, not in those exact figurative words but in the denying of girls to serve as acolytes and women in the church proper to have heads coverd. No scriptual readings by women. It has only been in my lifetime that changes were made and probably much less than 40 years ago. What was then, is little changed in the minds and policy/dogma of some churches today.
Only by religious practise and willfully ignoring Constitutional provisions. Every church, diocese, or whatever is incorporated under state law. Every corporation must follow Federal social policy as reflected in Constitutional law. Just as a business may not openly deny an executive position because of gender, so too should a religious corporation be held to the same standard. It has absolutely nothing to do with what church authority says is a "proper" calling or what you deem is what is right or wrong for you. It is a principle of American law gloriously ignored by some churches.
Some women have had that calling and the education in seminary to match it. They were denied by the Catholic Church. It is not a matter of faith between her and God but the decision by church authority, contrary to American justice, that kept that woman from being a priest.
It is still a chauvinistic fraternity thet demeans the humanity of women.. That a female will accede to the inferior placement does not justify it.
Saying that churches should be held to the same standard as legal systems and business is ABSURD. Indeed that is the most outrageous thing I have heard in this thread. It is the belief of Catholics that women can't be priests. Why should we be forced to change for the State? That would be tantamount to religious persecution.
Women, in Catholicism, CANNOT be called by God so obviously thsoe women who are "stopped" from being priests were not called to the Church. Disagree with our theology? Fine. Maybe you should start a thread arguing for women priests. But it is certainly not anti-women to assert that they cannot be priests, anymore than it is anti-man to claim men can't be nuns.