samgeorge11
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Just a simple question, Did Jesus ever ask(or hint) that people should worship him? Do any of the Protestants or Roman Catholic books say so?
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Did Jesus Ever Ask To Worship Him?
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ThisShouldMakeSense
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samgeorge11 said:
No he didn't. he directed all the glory and worhip to his father. i don't believe he was God tho, and that's where alot of other people disagree. he even called his father his God. and it's clear from christs temptations after his baptism, when satan wanted an act of worship from him, that jesus said that it is God that should be worshipped. Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus told him, "Go away, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve only Him."
glasgowchick
Gives Glory to God !!!
ThisShouldMakeSense said:
Hi TSMS, I picture that Scripture slightly different from you, you see satan didn't bow down to worship Jesus, Satan wanted to Jesus to bow down to Him And that is why Jesus said it is written that only God should be worshiped. Now if Satan bowed down to Jesus and then Jesus said the exact same thing to him that only God was to be worshiped then that would be another story. But I don't feel that Scripture proves anything but Jesus rebuking Satan because Satan wanted worship from Jesus. Jesus has to be worshipped and he accepted worship..
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
He said to take bread and wine in remembrance of him. this sacrement is central to Christian belief.
Terry
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Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.
Terry
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Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.
Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Only God is to be worshipped. To "worship" means, literally, to "bow down to the will of the one being worshipped," and it is God's will with which we must be concerned, not that of any creature of God. The sin of the devil was his desire to be worshipped and obeyed as God.
This verse( Revelation, above) is the only place where the phrase "the testimony of Jesus" (about Jesus) appears in the Bible, and also the only place where the phrase "the Spirit of prophecy" appears. Thus, a true prophet, inspired by the Holy Spirit, will testify that God was indeed incarnate in the man Jesus (1 John 2:22; 4:1-3). Therefore, Jesus is God and is to be worshipped, but He alone.
jeffrey
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Very well stated. I wish I had your command of words!michel said:Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Only God is to be worshipped. To "worship" means, literally, to "bow down to the will of the one being worshipped," and it is God's will with which we must be concerned, not that of any creature of God. The sin of the devil was his desire to be worshipped and obeyed as God.This verse( Revelation, above) is the only place where the phrase "the testimony of Jesus" appears in the Bible, and also the only place where the phrase "the Spirit of prophecy" appears. Thus, a true prophet, inspired by the Holy Spirit, will testify that God was indeed incarnate in the man Jesus (1 John 2:22; 4:1-3). Therefore, Jesus is God and is to be worshipped, but He alone.
samgeorge11
Member
I Think your views make some real sense. Jesus never directly(or indirectly) asked people to worship him. All he said to them was " Worship Lord, who is my Lord and yours". Even I'm of the strong opinion that he wasn't god, rather a messenger or a phrophet.ThisShouldMakeSense said:
Before resurrecting 'Lazarus', Jesus laid all credit on God and prayed to him for his healing prowess(Jesus's).
samgeorge11
Member
Why would God want to incarnate in a commoner and make people believe and worship him(the commoner or Prophet) rather than God himself? It can be ill received as God is renouncing his "tittle."michel said:This verse( Revelation, above) is the only place where the phrase "the testimony of Jesus" (about Jesus) appears in the Bible, and also the only place where the phrase "the Spirit of prophecy" appears. Thus, a true prophet, inspired by the Holy Spirit, will testify that God was indeed incarnate in the man Jesus (1 John 2:22; 4:1-3). Therefore, Jesus is God and is to be worshipped, but He alone.
glasgowchick
Gives Glory to God !!!
michel said:Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Only God is to be worshipped. To "worship" means, literally, to "bow down to the will of the one being worshipped," and it is God's will with which we must be concerned, not that of any creature of God. The sin of the devil was his desire to be worshipped and obeyed as God.
This verse( Revelation, above) is the only place where the phrase "the testimony of Jesus" (about Jesus) appears in the Bible, and also the only place where the phrase "the Spirit of prophecy" appears. Thus, a true prophet, inspired by the Holy Spirit, will testify that God was indeed incarnate in the man Jesus (1 John 2:22; 4:1-3). Therefore, Jesus is God and is to be worshipped, but He alone.
Hi Michel I agree with you, The Jws use the word "obeisance" instead of worship..They use the same Greek word for worship when it comes to God and the angels and the devil but when it comes to the worship of Jesus the WatcherTower translates the same word to show "Obeisance"...
For Instance The Greek word " Proskunesia" Im Mathew 2:2 is translated Obeisance for Jesus but in Rev 19:19 and Rev 22:8 is translated worship for the Angels..
Im Mathew 2:11 14:33 28:9 28:17 the same Greek word is rendered "Obeisance" for Jesus and again the same Greek word is Translated "worship" In John 4:20 for Jehovah.
Another Greek word is "Prosekunesan" and rendered "Worship" in Rev 5:14 7:11 11:16 for Jehovah...The same word is translated worship for the antichrist in Rev 13:4 and again for Jehovah in rev 19:4 and used again for the anti-christ in rev 20:4...
Another Greek word "Prosekunesen" Mark 5:6 John 9:38 and Acts 10:25 Translated " Obeisance" for Jesus..but again translated "Worship" in Hebrews 11:21 For Jehovah..
Another Greek word "Proskunesosin" Rev 3:9 " Obeisance" for the saints. Rev 9:20 13:12 13:5 back again to "worship" for the antichrist..
"Proskuneso" Mathew 2:8 "Obeisance" for Jesus...
"Proskuneses
Proskuneseis
proseskunei
proskunousa
prosekunoun
proskuneses
proskunesantes
proskunein
proskunesete
I have a few more Greek words and Scriptures where these words are translated "Obeisance" when it comes to Jesus but when it comes to Jehovah angels, saints or antichrist ALL these words are rendered "WORSHIP" .
ThisShouldMakeSense
Active Member
glasgowchick said:
actually, you'll find that Jesus never accepted the worship that belonged to his father. show me a scripture where Jesus was worshipped in that manner. i'm not talking about ones that say that 'every knee shall bend', as that is not worship...
samgeorge11 said:
Jesus himself referred to his Father as "the only true God." (John 17:3) Jehovah himself said: "Besides me there is no God." (Isa. 44:6) The apostle Paul wrote that, to true Christians, "there is . . . one God the Father." (1 Cor. 8:5, 6) So Jehovah is unique; no one else shares his position. Jehovah stands in utter contrast to all such objects of worship as idols, deified humans, and Satan. All these are false gods.
Jesus is spoken of in the Scriptures as "a god," even as "Mighty God." (John 1:1; Isa. 9:6) But nowhere is he spoken of as being Almighty, as Jehovah is. (Gen. 17:1) Jesus is said to be "the reflection of [Gods] glory," but the Father is the Source of that glory. (Heb. 1:3) Jesus in no way seeks the position of his Father. He said: "It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service." (Luke 4:8) He exists "in Gods form," and the Father has commanded that "in the name of Jesus every knee should bend," but this is all done "to the glory of God the Father."Phil. 2:5-11
ThisShouldMakeSense
Active Member
may said:
Well said!
Jesus tells us in Revelation to worship Yahweh
- Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
- Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
- Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God
glasgowchick
Gives Glory to God !!!
ThisShouldMakeSense said:
Show you a scripture..
Mathew 14:31.33 Jesus immediately reach out and grabbed him, " you of little faith" Jesus said, " why do you doubt me" 32 when they climbed back into the boat the wind stopped 33 then the disciples WORSHIPED HIM You really are the Son of God...
John 9:38 Yes Lord I believe the man said and worshipped him [ blind man Jesus cured ]
Luke 24 :52 So they worshiped Him and then returned to Jerusalem filled with great Joy...
Also see Mathew 28:9,17......
John 5:23 tells us we have to Honor the Son just like we Honor the Father, Do you worship the Father? then you have to Worship His Son Also..Anyone who does not Honor the Son is certainly not Honoring the Father..
john313
warrior-poet
The greek here is proskuneo which means:glasgowchick said:
1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
1) to the Jewish high priests
2) to God
3) to Christ 4) to heavenly beings
5) to demons
This clearly does not mean they think he is God.
The same word is used in the rest of the quotes except your last one, John 5:23. It uses timao which is translated:
1) to estimate, fix the value
a) for the value of something belonging to one's self
2) to honour, to have in honour, to revere, venerate
This has nothing to do with worship and would be more accurately translated as honor.
The translations you have read are quite misleading and it seems their agenda is to make people believe Jesus is worthy of worship when it is simply not the case.
glasgowchick
Gives Glory to God !!!
john313 said:
Hi John, Thanks for the imput..However William Tynsdale was the first Scholar To translate The Greek NewTestament into English. He Chose to translate the English verb To "Worship" to translate the Greek " Proskuneo" [To Bow Down ] Tynsdale empolyed the English "Worship" as the equivalent to the Greek " Bow Down".. When we read "To worship" in the English Bible we must think to " show homage or obeisance" To God, A Person of Authority, or to false Gods...
In The NT when "Proskuneo" reffered to the Lord, It meant bowing down to His Majesty. Bowing down as a physical posture was a metaphor for submitting to his soveriegn will and desire.
When "Proskuneo" reffered to " Worshiping the Father OR The Son, by the disciples or the 24 Elders before the throne of the Almighty, it was use regularly in the aorist [ aor ] Tense. The Aorist tense expressed pointed or punctual in action [ In contrast to the liner or on going action ] Implying that worshiping was considered a moment of obedience or submission in the worshipers relation to the Father OR the Son of God..
There are two exceptions to this procedure. Jesus used the present tense [ describing the Linear or on going action] when talking to the samaritan women[ John 4 ] to reffer to the worship that was currently taking place while they were discussing the matter. The other exception was when Jesus used the future tense to reffer to action that was yet to take place in their lives.
In Summary Worship was an active verb [ Worshiping ] in the New Testament rather than a noun [ Worship service ] It reffered to pointed advents in the lives of believers when they bowed in homage, and obeisance to the Lord Thereby expressing their resolute submission To His soveriegn will in their Lives..
Taken from mind heart foundation of Bible studies..