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Did Jesus say he was God???

AK4

AK4

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Dirty Penguin said:
The "writer's" interpretation is of little importance. We can see the bias in both the writers of the NT scriptures and of those that later translated the scriptures into English. The writer of Matthew makes a claim referring back to the OT but the biblical Yeshua was never called this nor was it the name his mother was to give him. He was never referred to as Emmanuel/Immanuel.
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Oh so all the different names given by God to reference Him means nothing then

In fact that OT reference was not a prophecy about Yeshua. The writer made an interpretation trying to establish Yeshua as the supposed prophesied savior. The OT prophecy was given to a king and that king was to see the prophecy unfold in his day..not given to the king in regards to a later (700 plus years) event. So Matthew 1:23 doesn't help in establishing Yeshua as "God".
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And i guess we disregard all the other prophecies given by God about stuff that was to happen but not immediately. You know like the one in the garden, it took 400 years to bring the promise of Abrahams physical "children" to come out of Egypt. Shall we go on.




This is simply how you're interpreting it. You, like a lot of others who quote from that book seem to want to quote that which appears to fit your preconceived notions because the verse directly after that disagrees with your stance.

2 Peter 1:2
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

Peter (did not) think the biblical Yeshua was God. He shows a complete separation when talking about "God" and talking about Yeshua.

He further states....;

2 Peter 1:17
For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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Yes there is a distinction, hence no trinity, but anyways you know like in Acts i believe he says something like "the God of our Fathers who you slew on a tree raised up Jesus Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins....." Again since no one can see or hear the Father and there is only one Saviour, Peter is also telling us that Jesus was the God of the OT.




It doesn't say he will be the saviour or was coming to save them, rather he gave them a saviour that the people would see, in that day and time
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Try looking up saviour again and see how many times He says He is the Saviour


2 Kings 13:5
And the LORD gave Israel a saviour, so that they went out from under the hand of the Syrians: and the children of Israel dwelt in their tents, as beforetime.

More of this can be found throughout your bible.....;

Isaiah 19:20
And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.

So Yeshua was not regarded as the only "saviour".
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Correct, but for all the world and for the sins of the world He is the only saviour, afterwards those in the first ressurrection will be the other saviours


First. That makes no sense. Second. That's not what the people believed. Third. That's not what the biblical Yeshua taught his followers.

This is what I meant by having a circular discussion. This will never end.....:eek:
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Of course it would make since if you think that Jehovah was God the Father. What can i say, if you believe that then youll never see it and you will completly disregard the major truth of no one has seen or heard the Father at anytime.

There believe is what got them into trouble in the first place, they didnt believe who Jesus said He was.

You have no scriptures to support that he didnt teach them that. I do.
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Ba'al

Ba'al

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How many times "savior" is mentioned in the old testament is irrelevant. You are proving absolutely nothing. You argument makes little sense even to a christian. You are arguing against what nearly all CHRISTIAN scholars are in agreement with and do you think what these scholars that have studied for centuries have come up with is wrong?
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Ba'al said:
You're joking right? You think the word "saviour" in those verses are referring to Jesus? I doubt you will even find other Christians to back you up on that.
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I totally believe that the word "savior" in those verses is speaking of Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus Christ is the "Jehovah" of the Old Testament. This is the name by which He was known during His pre-mortal existence, i.e. before He was born to Mary and given the name of "Jesus." There are dozens of verses in the Old Testament that point to the fact that Jesus Christ and Jehovah are one and the same. God the Father and Jehovah are two different individuals.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
AK4 said:
Oh so all the different names given by God to reference Him means nothing then
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What I'm saying is that when we read these text we clearly see these writers inserting their bias statements. Also you do realize that the writer of Matthew, who ever he was, never met Yeshua...right...? So the reference given is purely the writer's interpretation of OT scriptures. This is why I say there is no place in any scripture, even in other places in Matthew, where the biblical Yeshua was referred to as Immanuel. Not even his own mother, who supposedly received news from an angel of her son being born into the world, never called him that. In fact she was told by the angel what his name would be.


AK4 said:
And i guess we disregard all the other prophecies given by God about stuff that was to happen but not immediately. You know like the one in the garden, it took 400 years to bring the promise of Abrahams physical "children" to come out of Egypt. Shall we go on.
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I was just pointing out that careful study of the supposed prophecy was meant for the king of that day and time and not an idle prophecy told to the king of an event that was supposed to happen seven hundred years later.

AK4 said:
Yes there is a distinction, hence no trinity,
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Again, this was you trying to use Peter as evidence he viewed Yeshua as "God" but right there in chapter one he clearly doesn't. You gave me chapter and verse and in order for me to understand the context I read beyond what you posted. I found your interpretation weak considering his own testimony that followed...showing that in fact he did view "God" and Yeshua...to be separate.

AK4 said:
but anyways you know like in Acts i believe he says something like "the God of our Fathers who you slew on a tree raised up Jesus Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins....." Again since no one can see or hear the Father and there is only one Saviour, Peter is also telling us that Jesus was the God of the OT.
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Actually you misquoted the verse. I don't know if this was intentional or by accident so I can't really hold you at fault other than to admonish you to get the proper quote next time. The verse goes like this.....;

Acts 5:30
The god of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

It's clear that Peter and the others are not under the belief that Yeshua was God...rather (their god) saw fit to raise Yeshua from the tree (tree, stake, cross). When you read it the way you misquoted it, it pretty much takes on a meaning that was not intended by the apostles.

Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand [to be] a prince and a saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

So no, the biblical Yeshua was not "God". "Him" (Yeshua)...(his god has exalted) with his right hand made Yeshua a prince and a saviour.

AK4 said:
Try looking up saviour again and see how many times He says He is the Saviour
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The frequency is not that important. My point was that while your scriptures do show ("God") as the saviour it tells you that "God" sends saviours. Acts 5:31 is an example of that. The biblical Yeshua was given a task. The task was to do what his god taught and commanded him to do. In his prayer to his god he says that he has completed this task. This task was to save a lost people.


AK4 said:
You have no scriptures to support that he didnt teach them that. I do.
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Now you understand the "circular"....arguments and reasoning we are going through. The OP has been addressed.....so it comes down to what you believe and how you interpret your scriptures because you seem to be acting as the rest who gaze upon them must not be able to understand them...because we haven't been unable to produce a scripture that the biblical Yeshua (didn't) teach he was God. I could give you verse, after verse...of him implicitly and explicitly refuting being viewed as (God) but where will that really get us...?
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Katzpur said:
I totally believe that the word "savior" in those verses is speaking of Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus Christ is the "Jehovah" of the Old Testament. This is the name by which He was known during His pre-mortal existence, i.e. before He was born to Mary and given the name of "Jesus." There are dozens of verses in the Old Testament that point to the fact that Jesus Christ and Jehovah are one and the same. God the Father and Jehovah are two different individuals.
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Which verses do you have in mind?

Why did Jesus say at John 17:5 that he was 'with' his Father before the world was, if he was 'with' someone that is not the same as being the person.

At John 17:6 Jesus said he manifested God's name. Since his name was already manifest, why would he want to manifest God's name?

Our Father which art in heaven hallowed be whose name?
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
URAVIP2ME said:
Which verses do you have in mind?
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Keep in mind that we believe Jesus was know pre-mortally as Jehovah. He would continue to be known by that name until His birth to Mary, at which time He took on the name of Jesus. Since, at the time the events in the Old Testament took place, He had not yet been born, He was still referred to there as Jehovah. These verses indicate that the same individual who was being referred to in the Old Testament is being referred to in the New Testament, just by a different name.

He is “I AM”:
Old Testament – Exodus 3:14 New Testament – John 8:58

He is our Savior:
Old Testament – Isaiah 43:11 New Testament – 1 John 4:14

He is our Redeemer:
Old Testament – Psalm 19:14 New Testament – Titus 2:13-14

It was He who was pierced:
Old Testament – Zechariah 12:10 New Testament – Revelation 1:7

He is the First and the Last:
Old Testament – Isaiah 48:12 New Testament – Revelation 22:13

He is the Creator:
Old Testament – Genesis 2:4 New Testament – Colossians 1:16

He saves us from death:
Old Testament – Hosea 13:14 New Testament – 1 Corinthians 15:22

He will be our judge:
Old Testament – 1 Chronicles 16:33 New Testament – John 5:22

He is our shepherd:
Old Testament – Psalms 23:1 New Testament – John 10:14

He is the Lord of Lords:
Old Testament – Deuteronomy 10:17 New Testament – Revelation 17:14

Every knee shall bow unto Him:
Old Testament – Isaiah 45:23 New Testament – Philippians 2:10-11

We are to call upon His name:
Old Testament – Psalms 116:17 New Testament – Romans 10:13

He is our Rock:
Old Testament – Psalms 62:2 New Testament – 1 Corinthians 10:4

He is the Holy One:
Old Testament – Habakkuk 1:12 New Testament – Luke 4:34

We shall not tempt Him:
Old Testament – Deuteronomy 6:16 New Testament – Matthew 4:7

He laid the earth’s foundation:
Old Testament – Psalms 102:25 New Testament – Hebrews 1:10

It is He who receives our spirits:
Old Testament – Psalms 31:5 New Testament – Acts 7:59


Why did Jesus say at John 17:5 that he was 'with' his Father before the world was, if he was 'with' someone that is not the same as being the person.
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I think you might have misunderstood me. Unless I'm mistaken, you are a Jehovah's Witness, and I know that Jehovah's Witnesses believe that God = Jehovah. I am a Latter-day Saint and I believe that God = Elohim. I believe that Jesus = Jehovah. I believe that Jesus was with His Father before the world was and that He was known as "Jehovah" at that time. In order to understand what I'm saying, you've got to start with a blank slate and not start out with the idea that God = Jehovah. You'll never be able to make sense of what I'm saying otherwise.
 
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Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Katzpur said:
Oh, wow! I don't even know where to start. You'll have to give me some time.

I think you might have misunderstood me. Unless I'm mistaken, you are a Jehovah's Witness, and I know that Jehovah's Witnesses believe that God = Jehovah. I am a Latter-day Saint and I believe that God = Elohim and that Jesus = Jehovah. I believe that Jesus was with His Father before the world was and that He was known as "Jehovah" at that time.
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At the risk of derailing the discussion, I'm curious how you view the scholarship suggesting that Elohim and YHWH originally represented Northern and Southern traditions conflated during a prolonged period of Israelite ethnogenesis?
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Katzpur said:

Keep in mind that we believe Jesus was know pre-mortally as Jehovah. He would continue to be known by that name until His birth to Mary, at which time He took on the name of Jesus. Since, at the time the events in the Old Testament took place, He had not yet been born, He was still referred to there as Jehovah. These verses indicate that the same individual who was being referred to in the Old Testament is being referred to in the New Testament, just by a different name.

He is “I AM”:
Old Testament – Exodus 3:14 New Testament – John 8:58

RE: I am is not in all capitals at John 8:58. Verse 54 Jesus answers ......that they (Jews) say that Jesus Father is his God.
At John 20:17 Jesus on earth believed he had a God and after God resurrected him to heaven at Rev 3:12 Jesus still believed he had a God over him. Jesus being the beginning of the creation by God- Rev 3:14 B.
(1st Cor. 15:10).
He is our Savior:
Old Testament – Isaiah 43:11 New Testament – 1 John 4:14

RE: Agree the Father 'sent' his Son to be Savior. Verse 9 specifies which Son was 'sent' by God.
He is our Redeemer:
Old Testament – Psalm 19:14 New Testament – Titus 2:13-14

RE: "and" (kai) makes a distinction between the two nouns.
2nd Peter 1.1,2 in verse 2 is a clear distinction between God (and) Jesus.
Such as at Acts 13:50; 15:22; 2nd Thess 1:12; 1st Tim 5:21;6:13; 2nd Tim 4:1
It was He who was pierced:
Old Testament – Zechariah 12:10 New Testament – Revelation 1:7

RE: 1st John 4:12 A and Exodus 33:20 No man can see God and live
yet people did see Jesus. Jesus was pierced at death.
John 19:37.
He is the First and the Last:
Old Testament – Isaiah 48:12 New Testament – Revelation 22:13

RE: See also Isaiah 44:6; Rev 1:8 and 21:6
He is the Creator:
Old Testament – Genesis 2:4 New Testament – Colossians 1:16

RE: creation "through" God's firstborn heavenly Son.
Jesus being the beginning of God's creation - Rev 3:14 B.
He saves us from death:
Old Testament – Hosea 13:14 New Testament – 1 Corinthians 15:22

RE: 1st Cor 15:20 Christ has been raised up from the dead.
Who resurrected Jesus?
He will be our judge:
Old Testament – 1 Chronicles 16:33 New Testament – John 5:22

RE: agree The Father judges no man but committed all Judgment to his Son.
John 5:26 the Father has life in himself (immortal) and God grants or gifts to Jesus his Son to also have life in himself.- within/immortality

He is our shepherd:
Old Testament – Psalms 23:1 New Testament – John 10:14

RE: Both are shepherds. John 10:29 continues with Jesus Father being the greater than all others. John 14:28 Father is greater than Jesus.
He is the Lord of Lords:
Old Testament – Deuteronomy 10:17 New Testament – Revelation 17:14

RE: Also Rev 19:16 Jesus is LORD OF LORDS over all earthly Lords or Kings. Rev 17:14 also mentions the Lamb . The Lamb as we know is Jesus and at Rev 3:21 there are two thrones mentioned. One throne for Jesus and one throne for his God as Jesus calls his God at Rev 3:12.
Every knee shall bow unto Him:
Old Testament – Isaiah 45:23 New Testament – Philippians 2:10-11

RE: Please see verse 9 of Phil 2. Who exalts Jesus? And to whose glory in verse 11. Jesus glory or God's glory?
We are to call upon His name:
Old Testament – Psalms 116:17 New Testament – Romans 10:13

RE: Which one of the two (2) LORD/Lord's of Psalm 110:1 is being addressed? Which name did Jesus call upon to be hallowed?
He is our Rock:
Old Testament – Psalms 62:2 New Testament – 1 Corinthians 10:4

RE: Who was 'chosen by God' at 1st Peter 2:4,6?
He is the Holy One:
Old Testament – Habakkuk 1:12 New Testament – Luke 4:34

RE: Yes Jesus is the holy one 'of' God
We shall not tempt Him:
Old Testament – Deuteronomy 6:16 New Testament – Matthew 4:7

RE: Yes, Jesus was answering Satan that it would be wrong for anyone including himself [Jesus] to tempt God.
He laid the earth’s foundation:
Old Testament – Psalms 102:25 New Testament – Hebrews 1:10

RE: Verses 8, 9 of Hebrews 1 mentions that Jesus says:
Your (God's) throne is forever and verse 9 that God anointed Jesus.
(Psalm 78:69; 104:35; 119:90; Isaiah 45:17,18; Ecc 1:4 B)
It is He who receives our spirits:
Old Testament – Psalms 31:5 New Testament – Acts 7:59

RE: At Acts 7:60 is where the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) appears.
Verse 59 mentions two. Stephen calls upon God 'and' saying (in addition to calling upon God) Stephen says Lord Jesus....

I think you might have misunderstood me. Unless I'm mistaken, you are a Jehovah's Witness, and I know that Jehovah's Witnesses believe that God = Jehovah. I am a Latter-day Saint and I believe that God = Elohim. I believe that Jesus = Jehovah. I believe that Jesus was with His Father before the world was and that He was known as "Jehovah" at that time. In order to understand what I'm saying, you've got to start with a blank slate and not start out with the idea that God = Jehovah. You'll never be able to make sense of what I'm saying otherwise.
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Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Katzpur said:
I totally believe that the word "savior" in those verses is speaking of Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus Christ is the "Jehovah" of the Old Testament. This is the name by which He was known during His pre-mortal existence, i.e. before He was born to Mary and given the name of "Jesus." There are dozens of verses in the Old Testament that point to the fact that Jesus Christ and Jehovah are one and the same. God the Father and Jehovah are two different individuals.
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I find nothing in scripture that supports this notion. Here are two verses that I believe contra-indicate it:

Joh 5:18 For this cause therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only brake the sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Ge 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

In these two verses we see that Jesus is God, The Father is God and Jehovah is God. Sonce God is one, these verses are only revealing that God has many names and titles.

I think too much can be made of a name. It is not proof in and of itself. Jesus means God saves but Joshua had the same name and he was not God.

However there was a priest named Joshua who figured in Messianic prophecy:
Zec 6:11 yea, take of them silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest;
12 and speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh Jehovah of hosts, saying, Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: and he shall grow up out of his place; and he shall build the temple of Jehovah;
13 even he shall build the temple of Jehovah; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne; and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

It does not appear to be an accident on the part of God that he has chosen Joshua to represent "the Branch" who will be priest and king. Only Jesus has fulfilled both offices.

What is more significant about the name of Jesus is the reason the angel is designating it: Mt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name JESUS; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins.

Since God is the only Savior, it is another proof that Jesus is God in the flesh.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Mat 21:15 But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children that were crying in the temple and saying, Hosanna to the son of David; they were moved with indignation,
16 and said unto him, Hearest thou what these are saying? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea: did ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou has perfected praise?

Ps 8:1 ¶ For the Chief Musician; set to the Gittith. A Psalm of David. O Jehovah, our Lord, How excellent is thy name in all the earth, Who hast set thy glory upon the heavens!
2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou established strength, ...

The Pharisees appear to be irate becasue the chidren are calling Jesus, Messiah but Jesus points the Pharisees back to a verse that indicates the children were using the name Jehovah.
 
arimoff

arimoff

Active Member
Muffled said:
Mat 21:15 But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children that were crying in the temple and saying, Hosanna to the son of David; they were moved with indignation,
16 and said unto him, Hearest thou what these are saying? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea: did ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou has perfected praise?

Ps 8:1 ¶ For the Chief Musician; set to the Gittith. A Psalm of David. O Jehovah, our Lord, How excellent is thy name in all the earth, Who hast set thy glory upon the heavens!
2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou established strength, ...

The Pharisees appear to be irate becasue the chidren are calling Jesus, Messiah but Jesus points the Pharisees back to a verse that indicates the children were using the name Jehovah.
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The question is where did Mathew get such information, He did not meet Jesus he didn't even live in his life time.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
arimoff said:
The question is where did Mathew get such information, He did not meet Jesus he didn't even live in his life time.
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According to Luke 5:27-32 Jesus called Matthew to be one of his followers.
According to Mark 2:13-17 Jesus called Matthew to be one of his followers.
According to Matt . 9:9-13 Jesus called Matthew to be one of his followers.

From Papias of Hierapolis onward passages from Matthew are quoted by Justin Martyr, by Hegesippus, Irenaeus, Tatian, Arthenagoras, Theophilus, Clement, Tertullian and Origen quoted Eusebus as saying that the first was written....according to Matthew... who published it for those who from Judaism came to believe...
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Muffled said:
I find nothing in scripture that supports this notion. Here are two verses that I believe contra-indicate it:

Joh 5:18 For this cause therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only brake the sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

RE: But were the Jews right in what they were saying in verse 18?____ Verse 19 Jesus answers them that he does Not do a single thing of his own initiative.... by verse 26 God gives or grants to Jesus to have life in himself (immortality) not before that.
Ge 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

In these two verses we see that Jesus is God, The Father is God and Jehovah is God. Sonce God is one, these verses are only revealing that God has many names and titles.

RE: Going back to Gen 1:26 God is talking to his 'firstborn' Son
(Col 1:15,16) in the heavens when God says let "us" make.....
I think too much can be made of a name. It is not proof in and of itself. Jesus means God saves but Joshua had the same name and he was not God.

RE: In the Hebrews doesn't Jesus mean Jehovah is salvation?
That points to Jehovah as the source of Jesus salvation.
However there was a priest named Joshua who figured in Messianic prophecy:
Zec 6:11 yea, take of them silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest;
12 and speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh Jehovah of hosts, saying, Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: and he shall grow up out of his place; and he shall build the temple of Jehovah;
13 even he shall build the temple of Jehovah; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne; and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

It does not appear to be an accident on the part of God that he has chosen Joshua to represent "the Branch" who will be priest and king. Only Jesus has fulfilled both offices.

What is more significant about the name of Jesus is the reason the angel is designating it: Mt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name JESUS; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins.

Since God is the only Savior, it is another proof that Jesus is God in the flesh.

RE: At Titus 2:11-13 and 3:4-6 both Father and Son are spoken of together in connection with salvation. They are both saviors.
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URAVIP2ME

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AK4 said:
You are probably right cuz most christians are sheeple and they dont "dive" into the Word
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The name Jesus (Greek) Iesous corresponds to the (Hebrew) name Jeshua or in fuller form Jehoshua,(Yehohshua) meaning: Jehovah is Salvation.

The Tetragrammaton is only applied to Jehovah (YHWH)

Jesus was a common name in the first century.
That is why which Jesus is specified such as Jesus the Nazarene.

Christ (Greek) Khristos or (Hebrew) Mashiach (Messiah) means Anointed One.
Jesus is uniquely or preeminently: the Christ, the Son of the living God.
- Matt 16:16.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
URAVIP2ME said:
The name Jesus (Greek) Iesous corresponds to the (Hebrew) name Jeshua or in fuller form Jehoshua,(Yehohshua) meaning: Jehovah is Salvation.

The Tetragrammaton is only applied to Jehovah (YHWH)

Jesus was a common name in the first century.
That is why which Jesus is specified such as Jesus the Nazarene.

Christ (Greek) Khristos or (Hebrew) Mashiach (Messiah) means Anointed One.
Jesus is uniquely or preeminently: the Christ, the Son of the living God.
- Matt 16:16.
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Don't you just love it when people prove your point for you..?

I wonder if he thinks the "prophet" Elijah was "God" in the flesh as well considering it means (my god Yah).

Yea, I don't think people went around thinking Elijah was "God" incarnate.....:rolleyes:
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Dirty Penguin said:
Don't you just love it when people prove your point for you..?
I wonder if he thinks the "prophet" Elijah was "God" in the flesh as well considering it means (my god Yah).
Yea, I don't think people went around thinking Elijah was "God" incarnate.....:rolleyes:
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Elijah means: My God is Jehovah.
Jesus means : Jehovah is Salvation

Jesus nor Elijah never said they were God incarnate.
So why should anyone else think so?
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
URAVIP2ME said:
Elijah means: My God is Jehovah.
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Not to to nit-pick but before I post I like to research as much as possible to make sure I'm using the correct terminology. The word ("my or is") does not appear in the rendering of that title. It's simply Elijah (Eli-Yah). It's simple as (God-Lord). Some render it (God is Lord) or when speaking of (Eli) they say (My god). In your bible, New Testament, Yeshua is reported to have said ("Eli, Eli lama sabachtini)...Which is said to have meant "God, God why have you forsaken me?"

Elijah (Eliyah)
Elijah means El is Yah, or Elohim is YHWH, or God Is Lord.
The name Elijah: meaning, origin and etymology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah



URAVIP2ME said:
Jesus nor Elijah never said they were God incarnate.
So why should anyone else think so?
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Beats me....considering your scriptures are completely against the notion he was....:areyoucra
 
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