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Why hasn't there been a female prophet?
- Thread starter Ori
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EnhancedSpirit
High Priestess
I think there may have been female prophets who were ignored because of their gender. How can one prophecize if they are not allowed to speak in public? How can one share prophecy if they are not allowed to preach in church?
Seems a bit strange to me that people make statements based on zero research. So, for example, ...orichalcum said:
Of the seven prophetesses (Sarah, Chana, Dvorah, Miriam, Esther, Avigail and Hulda) whose words the Talmud tells us are recorded for all generations, Hulda is perhaps the least known. II Kings, 22:14 briefly describes Hulda as, "...the prophetess, the wife of Shallum son of Tikvah son of Harhas, the keeper of the (royal) garments, who dwelled in Jerusalem, in the study house..." Hulda lived during the era of the First Temple and was sole prophetess for the women. Our sages tell us that at this time, "Jeremiah prophesied in the marketplace, Tzephaniah in the houses of worship and Hulda to the women." In spite of this limited biographical information we can surmise that, as a prophetess, Hulda was a woman of great faith, moral character and broad Torah knowledge. These are among the qualifications for receiving prophecy, as outlined by the great commentator Rambam. [see torah.org]
When in doubt, read!
Malus 12:9
Temporarily Deactive.
Also,Exodus 15:20: Miriam, the sister of Aaron was a prophetess and one of the triad of leaders of Israel during the Exodus from Egypt. Acts 21:8: Philip the evangelist had four unmarried daughters who were prophets.
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
Good of you to find that information for Ori, Deut.Deut. 32.8 said:
However, do you think you could perhaps be a little more pleasant when responding to members who may be less well informed than yourself? I don't feel there is any need to be as patronizing and often rude as you sometimes are. Remember that you are talking to real people on this forum, not pet monkeys.
Thank you.
Point taken. Now, hear mine.Halcyon said:
My irritation has absolutely nothing to do with someone being uninformed. It has to do with that frustrating combination of thoughtlessness and laziness that allows people to make the most absurd statements with absolute confidence when evidence to the contrary is literally seconds away.
You wish to make a claim about 'Jewish Women Prophets'? Fine, but respect your audience enough to submit the phrase to a search engine to see what comes up. I just now submitted it to Google and got 677,000 links in 0.25 seconds - which should at the very least suggest the need for further research.
Furthermore, women like Devorah and Sarah are not exactly Talmudic secrets. It is nearly impossible to be even modestly literate with regards to Jewish scripture and not know of them. Not that illiteracy is a crime, but if you are not sufficiently well versed in a topic, consider asking questions rather than stating (false) facts. When in doubt - read.
If it was a supporting comment, don't let me stop you. If not, thanks for leaving.jewscout said:
I agree wholeheartedly; for some of us though (and that most definitely includes me), being on this forum has been a very sharp learning curve, and sometimes I have quoted things I have read on the internet to which you have responded by saying that the author of the quote is not worth reading.Deut. 32.8 said:
Perhaps you could point us to good sites to improve our chances of not backing a three legged horse!
You already have given links to some very educational sites - for which I am truly grateful - even if my brain aches as a result of looking at the site; and perhaps give those of us who are not 'in your league' a little latitude - perhaps a slightly gentler approach...Do you 'do' gentle ?
Of course I do gentle, you lousy, rotten, son of a ...michel said:
Look, people learn different things at different rates for different reasons. The problem is not the learning curve. I could care less whether the author of the OP knew about Jewish scripture. What concerns me is the related sins of sloppiness and willful ignorance. I responded to the OP, not because it was wrong, but because is was demonstrably and unnecessarily wrong.
It would be more helpful if we could speak to specifics. Perhaps your reference was worthless. Perhaps I was wrong. In either event, it is a much different issue that what we have here: an implied claim, unsubstantiated, and demonstrably and unnecessarily wrong.michel said:
As for the rest, it has frankly been my view that I'm usually quite good at supplying pertinent references. If I'm wrong in this self assessment, let me know and I'll try to do better.
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
I understand your point of view Deut, and it is well made. However, i feel that you may have fallen short of fully understanding mine.Deut. 32.8 said:
Yes, it may very well be frustrating when someone posts a question or statement that could easily be answered/countered by a quick google search. However, since these forums are for religious education, people are perfectly within their rights to make this their first port of call, if they so wish, to find an answer to any statement or questionable belief they may have. They could after all, learn things here they may not get with a google search.
Remember this rule, "5.) While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. Our decision is final in these matters."
Responses that are blunt and/or patronizing border on being rude and insulting - and remember you do not know the person you are talking too, a patronizing comment might not affect you but may upset them unnecessarily.
All i'm suggesting is that, when you are deciding whether or not to reply to a post (especially those made by members whom you are unfamiliar with), that you keep rule five in mind. And as Mich suggests, go gentle.
Malus 12:9
Temporarily Deactive.
Some of the posters give it a little something extra in translation too,HAL.
But if all answers were possible by "search engines", why have a forum which does the
same? One can spend hours searching for the answer they seek. However, they can also come
here and discuss it, with other inputs and opinions, whether they be right or wrong. It's usualy
interesting to see what some others say on the matter, and in some aspects, quite humourus.
I am not disagreeing with you.
But if all answers were possible by "search engines", why have a forum which does the
same? One can spend hours searching for the answer they seek. However, they can also come
here and discuss it, with other inputs and opinions, whether they be right or wrong. It's usualy
interesting to see what some others say on the matter, and in some aspects, quite humourus.
I am not disagreeing with you.
chuck010342
Active Member
orichalcum said:
Have you even read the bible? huh or are you just ignorant?
Luke 2:36
There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old; she had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage,
some people.
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
What is with this thread? Getting people angry very easily.chuck010342 said:
The female prophets aren't the most discussed of biblical characters though, are they? They aren't the main characters, so people who aren't fans of the book aren't very likely to have heard of them.
Maybe a better phrasing of Ori's question could be - "Why aren't there any important/well known female prophets?
Malus 12:9
Temporarily Deactive.
With reason.Halcyon said:
Most prophets are important regardless of Gender.Halcyon said:
Even Moses was important
chuck010342
Active Member
Halcyon said:
only with people who make statements that sound like ignorance.
Halcyon said:
thats a better question. Men are usually more agressive and usually make better leaders. So it would seem that God would use them more. That doesn't mean women cannot be leaders, just check the early church.
chuck010342
Active Member
Ronald said:
I don't know what your really talking about.
Anyway Flatter leads to pride which is a sin for a good reason.