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Gitmo: America's Gulag!
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Majikthise
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I,m just saying let's not get the attitude that the people in gitmo are poor innocent victims. These people are not shoplifters, bad check writers or car theives,...jamaesi said:
They are fanatics who would press the button on a nuclear bomb without hesitation if given the chance.:areyoucra
Christopher Krajewski
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: Guantanamo Bay intuitively is part of the security operations for the U.S. Why shouldn't the Americans continue the act. The facts did portray rampant trampling over foreign threatening war crimes at any accountable doubt. These really were imprisoned characters of notable records. Within the law the U.S. is still at considerable war with the Al-qaeda and those concerns of attacking American soil concerning its state supporting Isreal. People feel they can possibly hide that somewhat truth of interests in the middle east. For all the reasons I may not trust George Bush over his attitude on war fact and entrusted political economic visions in the middle east, I can trust his need to protect American soil, that is the otriginal reason he into the conflicts; that why the reports may and can cotinue to remain threatening.:help:
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Majikthise
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You're right fluffy, there is a gaping hole in my arguement.....:sarcasticFluffy said:
right in the middle of New York City.
You seem to have access to interesting information that neither the US government nor Swedish authorities know of. Please tell me what crimes the "Guantanamo Swede" has committed. He was sold to US troops by a Pakistan village. He wasn't engaged in combat, and there is no infornation that he was even close to any kind of weaponry. After IIRC some 30 months at Gitmo, he was released, and brought home in a Swedish government aircraft (I interpret that as a Swedish official demonstration that we regard him as being innocent of just about anything) without any US charges, and accompanied by no information causing Sweden to start any procedures at all against him.Majikthise said:
Faminedynasty
Active Member
Maybe, maybe not. Without the benefit of due process, you really have no idea.Majikthise said:
Since the onset of war, almost as many Iraqis have died in US custody as as died in the entire 12 years of the "Hanoi Hilton's" infamous operation. GITMO gives the lie to America's vaunted notions of justice, equality and the pursuit of happiness.
A century from now the US Senate will be issuing an ignominious apology for our actions in this "war." In the meantime, we worship at the alter of expedience.
A century from now the US Senate will be issuing an ignominious apology for our actions in this "war." In the meantime, we worship at the alter of expedience.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Frubals on your head for this. The whole of Gitmo is all about expedience.
Good points, jamaesi, but the real matrix of terrorism these days is Iraq. Since the US invasion the CIA reports that Iraq has become the hottest school of terrorist tactics going -- hotter than Afghanistan ever was. People are flocking in from all over the middle East. Talk about throwing fuel on a fire, we couldn't generate more and more skilled anti-American terrorists if we opened a school of terrorism in Idaho and offered scholarships to the whole of Saudi Arabia!
Our "war on terrorism" generates more terrorists and puts the US in greater peril than any other action I could imagine.
Our "war on terrorism" generates more terrorists and puts the US in greater peril than any other action I could imagine.
Precisely. In prewar Iraq there was little or no terrorism. In fact there was little or no opposition of any kind, for the simple reason that the fascist Baathist regime permitted none. But the absence of terrorism in no way equates to an absence of terrorized victims.jamaesi said:
Faminedynasty
Active Member
Not to justify any of the terrible violations of human rights, and supremacy of law that have taken place at gitmo, but it doesn't compare to a true gulag, as countless millions have not died in gitmo. That is another BIG difference in addition to forced labor. The similarities are valid, no doubt. But almost nothing in history compares to the mass murder carried out over the long career of Stalin.NetDoc said:
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Give it time... fortunately for those who are illegally held there, it is a tropical climate, and not a Siberian tundra. I am sure that they sing hallelujaahs in our name because of our benevolent fore sight.
BUDDY
User of Aspercreme
Personally, I think that we are treating them very nice and very fair. They are not American citizens, they are terrorists. How do you suggest we treat them NetDoc? These are really bad guys, who know a lot of other really bad guys and all of these bad guys want to kill you, me and every other American that does not believe what they believe religiously. We are not the enemy here. The life we give them, regardless of how bad you think it is, is much better than the life they deserve for trying to murder women, children and other non-coms in the name of there beliefs.NetDoc said:
BUDDY
User of Aspercreme
:biglaugh:jamaesi said:
Are you serious?!?!?!?
Do you know what scares an islamic jihadist more than anything in the world? A democratic state in the Middle East, that's what. With the threat of democracy looming, the terrorists have decide to come and try to stop it. Do you think that they are blowing themselves and others up, only because they are angry? Do you not think that they have any agenda just like everyone else? Let me ask you this, we have been in foreign coutries for years and years with military bases, embassies and consulates. Why do you think Iraq has become such a hot bed for terrorism, while every other military base is left without such incidents on such a massive scale? It's becaue they are afraid democracy will destroy their power!!!! I swear, talking to some liberals is like talking to rocks.
