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Should committed same-sex relationships be recognized by the government?

Should committed same-sex relationships be recognized by the government?

  • Yes, with full-fledged marriage equal in all ways to heterosexual marriage

    Votes: 88 69.8%
  • Yes, with a "civil union" that gives some legal benefits, but not as many as marriage

    Votes: 13 10.3%
  • No official or legal recognition

    Votes: 23 18.3%
  • I don't know/other

    Votes: 2 1.6%

  • Total voters
    126

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
Yes! With all rights currently accorded heterosexual couples - including the right for someone to sponsor their partner for IMMIGRATION!!!
 

Henry

Member
I personally am opposed to homosexual unions, and unlike some people, see recognizing homosexual unions as regressive, not progressive. I am a christian, and I believe 100% in the word of God. The Bible is very clear in stating homosexuality as a sin.
Some might say that I'm "homophobic", but the truth is, I'm pro-family.
 

pegan

Member
I honestly am all for it. I also believe that homosexual couples should be allowed to raise children. Someone on another forum sarcastically put it in the words, "Of course heterosexual parents ONLY produce heterosexual children."

I'm all for complete rights. After all, this directly affects me. Who are we harming, anyway?
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Henry said:
I personally am opposed to homosexual unions, and unlike some people, see recognizing homosexual unions as regressive, not progressive. I am a christian, and I believe 100% in the word of God. The Bible is very clear in stating homosexuality as a sin.
Some might say that I'm "homophobic", but the truth is, I'm pro-family.

Welcome to the forum, Henry. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But I'm curious, when you say "pro-family" do you mean only you are only pro families that have a married mother and father with 2.5 kids and a dog, or did you mean all types of families?
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Henry said:
I personally am opposed to homosexual unions, and unlike some people, see recognizing homosexual unions as regressive, not progressive. I am a christian, and I believe 100% in the word of God. The Bible is very clear in stating homosexuality as a sin.
Some might say that I'm "homophobic", but the truth is, I'm pro-family.
Others might say that you're regressive, willingly embracing the primitive attitudes of a 3,000 year old culture. But all of this is irrelevant: the question was not about what you or I might embrace or oppose, but about whether a secular government has any right to discriminate against such marriages based on your personal religious considerations, and the answer is clearly "No".
 

Henry

Member
Deut. 32.8 said:
Others might say that you're regressive, willingly embracing the primitive attitudes of a 3,000 year old culture. But all of this is irrelevant: the question was not about what you or I might embrace or oppose, but about whether a secular government has any right to discriminate against such marriages based on your personal religious considerations, and the answer is clearly "No".

I think you must remember that this Nation was founded on christian principles, and (unfortunatley) over the years has regressed into a secular government.
Now, studies have confirmed that children do better in a natural family setting. By natural, I mean one father, and one mother. We can see this is true even with animals. The thing is, children need both a mother, and a father to do well, and mature normally.
Lastly, the main reason that homosexuals want their unions to be recognized is for health benifits, etc. I truly believe it has very little to do with love, and is more like lust. I thought (before I got married) that I was in love many times, but the truth is that I was simply being satisfied sexually. Now, I'm trully in love. (with my wife) That's all for now.
 

Lightkeeper

Well-Known Member
Henry said:
I think you must remember that this Nation was founded on christian principles, and (unfortunatley) over the years has regressed into a secular government.
Now, studies have confirmed that children do better in a natural family setting. By natural, I mean one father, and one mother. We can see this is true even with animals. The thing is, children need both a mother, and a father to do well, and mature normally.
Lastly, the main reason that homosexuals want their unions to be recognized is for health benifits, etc. I truly believe it has very little to do with love, and is more like lust. I thought (before I got married) that I was in love many times, but the truth is that I was simply being satisfied sexually. Now, I'm trully in love. (with my wife) That's all for now.
Are we forgetting that homosexuals come from heterosexual families? If I am hearing you right, humans will be denied rights by Christians if the Christians don't agree with what they are doing. How does Christianity stand on premarital sex?
 

pegan

Member
Homosexual relationships are not driven by lust. The love found in any gay relationship is just as much love as that found in a heterosexual relationship.

Why would we fight for all this if it was just lust? Health benefits aren't enough to bind you legally to a person for life.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Henry said:
I think you must remember that this Nation was founded on christian principles, ...
Really? I have a copy of the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, and Alexis de Toqueville's Democracy In America within arms reach, and I'd rather that you not presume to instruct me on founding principles, particularly since you would almost certainly get it wrong.
 

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
Well, gee...here I thought I wanted to marry my girlfriend because I love her with my entire being, and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. But now I find out I'm only in it for the health benefits...don't that just beat all. :rolleyes:
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Henry said:
Lastly, the main reason that homosexuals want their unions to be recognized is for health benifits, etc. I truly believe it has very little to do with love, and is more like lust. I thought (before I got married) that I was in love many times, but the truth is that I was simply being satisfied sexually. Now, I'm trully in love. (with my wife) That's all for now.

Ah, I see. Well, then I can tell you that you know nothing about loving, committed same-sex relationships. Have a nice day. :)
 

Pah

Uber all member
Henry said:
I think you must remember that this Nation was founded on christian principles, and (unfortunatley) over the years has regressed into a secular government.
Now, studies have confirmed that children do better in a natural family setting. By natural, I mean one father, and one mother. We can see this is true even with animals. The thing is, children need both a mother, and a father to do well, and mature normally.
Lastly, the main reason that homosexuals want their unions to be recognized is for health benifits, etc. I truly believe it has very little to do with love, and is more like lust. I thought (before I got married) that I was in love many times, but the truth is that I was simply being satisfied sexually. Now, I'm trully in love. (with my wife) That's all for now.


First of all, Henry, the myth that we are "founded" on Christian principles, is just propaganda. We were established under "common law".

Second, there are no studies that say what "better" is acheived by the one "father" and mother. And you are quite wrong to think that, in the rest of nature, that model is the norm. When you say that, under your model, children "marure normally", you recognize that "better" is not really a proper goal but only an ideal chracteristic of family.

Thirdly, I can only assume, Henry, that you have not read the many polls that detail why Homosexuals want to marry

-pah-
 

Ardhanariswar

I'm back!
welcome to the forum henry!

"The Bible is very clear in stating homosexuality as a sin."

the bible (especially in the book of leviticus) states that you cannot shave your beard. do you not shave your beard henry? Do you eat meat? kosher?
 
Last year I participated in a debate at school and the subject was homosexual adoption and pretty much was it okay for children to be parented by gay people. What I found in my research was essentially that 1) being raised by a homo most definitely doesn't make you one and 2) in studies children often turned about "better" (and I hate to use the word better) than children raised by a mother and a father because as the stereotype is based on truth, gay men are typically more effiminate and lesbians are more masculine, they child gets a mother and a father in one person if you will. Furthermore, because 2 women or men can't naturally make a baby, ever child raised by 2 women or men the parents had to work hard to get them so the child is more wanted (and I hate to say that too) than a child who lets say is the result of premarital sex and is raised by teen parents who blame their child for ruining their life because life would have been easier without the baby.
 
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