Can Angels be saved?

Like the one's who fought against God?

The Angels always obey God. They cannot disobey Him. They were created to worship and obey God's orders.

Peace

Yes they can be saved. All have a chance to repent, even angels and jinn. There are good and evil angels and jinn just as there are good and evil people.

no they cannot be saved,they left their first habitat,some have joined satan the others are chained up until judgement day when the saints will judge them

From a christian perspective, they would be saved by believing Jesus is God. Surely they know the truth if they are just spiritual beings up in the heavens with God. so from that point of view they would have to be saved.

john313 said:

From a christian perspective, they would be saved by believing Jesus is God. Surely they know the truth if they are just spiritual beings up in the heavens with God. so from that point of view they would have to be saved.

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No, that's a complete misunderstanding of Christianity (shared unfortunately by some 'Christians'). The Scriptures state that even the demons 'believe and tremble'. Simple belief that Christ is God saves nobody - belief in Christ does. But if you believe in someone, you also trust them and follow their example, you don't just accept their existence as a fact.

James

IacobPersul said:

No, that's a complete misunderstanding of Christianity (shared unfortunately by some 'Christians'). The Scriptures state that even the demons 'believe and tremble'. Simple belief that Christ is God saves nobody - belief in Christ does. But if you believe in someone, you also trust them and follow their example, you don't just accept their existence as a fact.

James

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Most of the christians i know and associate with have the belief i stated. i believe they are incorrect, but it seems to be a common theme. They interpret it to mean believe he is God rather than follow his example.

Peace said:

The Angels always obey God. They cannot disobey Him. They were created to worship and obey God's orders.

Peace

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What about Satan's fall from grace (Isaiah 14:12-15)?

blueman said:

What about Satan's fall from grace (Isaiah 14:12-15)?

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Peace is Muslim. I asked him (or possibly someone else, but I think it was him) about this very same thing before. Apparently in Islamic belief the Angels have no free will and so cannot rebel and the demons are a completely different sort of creature - a djinn (sp?). I'm sure he can explain better. Of course, this sounds strange to Christians but the Jews have yet another belief and they don't think Satan is a fallen Angel either. This is one of those areas where you can't make statements that hold true of all three Abrahamic faiths.

James

IacobPersul said:

Peace is Muslim. I asked him (or possibly someone else, but I think it was him) about this very same thing before. Apparently in Islamic belief the Angels have no free will and so cannot rebel and the demons are a completely different sort of creature - a djinn (sp?). I'm sure he can explain better. Of course, this sounds strange to Christians but the Jews have yet another belief and they don't think Satan is a fallen Angel either. This is one of those areas where you can't make statements that hold true of all three Abrahamic faiths.

James

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James, I'm curious of your take on this. I always value your opinions. If Satan repented, could he be saved? Myself, I would think not, but can't back that up with scripture.

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James, I'm curious of your take on this. I always value your opinions. If Satan repented, could he be saved? Myself, I would think not, but can't back that up with scripture.

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I would say that if Satan repented, he could indeed be saved, as I believe that God is loving and merciful. However, I don't believe that Satan will repent (I actually doubt that he could as that would require humility whereas his sin was the ultimate pride). I'd say that the Apocalypse of John is quite clear that Satan will not repent and that the demons will be vanquished. Unless you wish to disregard John's prophecy, then I would think that this was an open and shut case.

However, some theologians like Origen and Church Fathers like St. Gregory of Nyssa, have either believed in or tended very far towards a universalist idea of salvation in which even the demons will be saved. Origen was condemned for his extreme views and died anathematised and St. Gregory's personal opinions on the matter are considered an error out of step with the Patristic consensus (we don't believe in infallible Fathers), so I do not accept this view at all. It does go to show, however, that it is possible to interpret Scripture this way, even for a great theologian. It's just that not all possible interpretations of Scripture are correct.

James

IacobPersul said:

Peace is Muslim. I asked him (or possibly someone else, but I think it was him) about this very same thing before. Apparently in Islamic belief the Angels have no free will and so cannot rebel and the demons are a completely different sort of creature - a djinn (sp?). I'm sure he can explain better. Of course, this sounds strange to Christians but the Jews have yet another belief and they don't think Satan is a fallen Angel either. This is one of those areas where you can't make statements that hold true of all three Abrahamic faiths.

James

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There is no doubt there are different beliefs in regards to this issue, but based on my belief, I think that angels did have free will and demons are nothing more than fallen angels that were cast down with Satan (Revelations 12:7-9 and Luke 10:18).

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What about Satan's fall from grace (Isaiah 14:12-15)?

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Oh sorry for the delay to answer, but I have just seen this. As IacobPersul said I explained this before to him. From the Islamic perspective Satan is not an angel, he is a demon "jinn". He was elevated to the rank to be with the angels worshipping God because of his devout worship to God. However his jealousy, envy and arrogance he disobeyed God when he want ordered to prostrate to Adam. Thus, he was expelled from heaven and has had God's wrath.
Angels never disobey God, they all always execute what they are commanded to do.

Peace