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Why do the majority moderate allow the extremist Islamic majority to control them?

astarath

astarath

Well-Known Member
The Islamic extremists pollute the media, education, and even political systems of the moderate Islamic peoples and yet this vast majority remains silent to the blatant liabel and hate spread towards the US and Judaism. They allow their children to be taught fear and hate for all the world save Islam.

I hear so often that Islam is a religion of love. If so then why does the majority of loving Islam stay silent while the minority spreads fear, hate, anger and violence. I just dont understand.

What you think?
 
slave2six

slave2six

Substitious
You do realize that the main product hocked by the media throughout time has been sensationalism and reporting extremist views, right? The problem is not the media, it's individuals who are unable or unwilling to think or to find out for themselves if what they are being sold is true or not. I know some exceptionally decent Muslims who I would willingly lay down my life for if it came to it. I think you should get to know some Muslims as well. I think you will find that they are not all that different from anyone else.
 
astarath

astarath

Well-Known Member
I am not ignorant to the vast majority of good Muslims. You misunderstand, my issue is that same majority of good muslims allowing anti-semitic/US media to be published and aired in their coutnries and while they dont agree they remain silent against it. For a violent minority to be able to speak injustice and the majority to remain quiet out of lack of interest or sloth is saddening.

I myself have many friends who are Muslim and I ask them the same thing. Why do they not speak out against Jihad and the Mujahadeen. They dont have a response. Hate groups spring up in the western world and spew hate liable sheltered by our laws of free speech and the moderate Islamic groups are not there standing across the street denouncing them? Why?
 
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AFRICAN

Member
astarath said:
I am not ignorant to the vast majority of good Muslims. You misunderstand, my issue is that same majority of good muslims allowing anti-semitic/US media to be published and aired in their coutnries and while they dont agree they remain silent against it. For a violent minority to be able to speak injustice and the majority to remain quiet out of lack of interest or sloth is saddening.

I myself have many friends who are Muslim and I ask them the same thing. Why do they not speak out against Jihad and the Mujahadeen. They dont have a response. Hate groups spring up in the western world and spew hate liable sheltered by our laws of free speech and the moderate Islamic groups are not there standing across the street denouncing them? Why?
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no actually they do stand but that itself wont be shown for you in the Media , See who controls the Media ..
 
Jeremiah

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
AFRICAN said:
no actually they do stand but that itself wont be shown for you in the Media , See who controls the Media ..
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I don't have an opinion either way, but what you said here does not follow. If they are taking a stand then how is it the "minority" still controls all the media? That does not make sense, the opposing "majority" would be perfectly capable of producing their own media. In fact taking a "stand" would mean that they would produce their own media.
 
ayani

ayani

member
because they are scared. really. they may disagree and be truly upset and saddened by the hatred, rascism, and violence they see extremist Muslims propogate. but they know the risks of publically speaking up against these kinds of people, and many are dismayed and heart-broken in near-silence for the safety of themselves and loved ones. many don't consider it worth the risk or effort, even if they wanted to, and so do their best to live Islam peacefully and kindly, and perhaps to speak out on-line. to live out Islam as they wish to see it lived out, as a lifestyle witness, instead of actively taking on the extremists themselves.
 
Jeremiah

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
ayani said:
because they are scared. really. they may disagree and be truly upset and saddened by the hatred, rascism, and violence they see extremist Muslims propogate. but they know the risks of publically speaking up against these kinds of people, and many are dismayed and heart-broken in near-silence for the safety of themselves and loved ones. many don't consider it worth the risk or effort, even if they wanted to, and so do their best to live Islam peacefully and kindly, and perhaps to speak out on-line. to live out Islam as they wish to see it lived out, as a lifestyle witness, instead of actively taking on the extremists themselves.
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Well, I am sure some of them are cowards, like you suggest, but not all of them.
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Jeremiah said:
Well, I am sure some of them are cowards, like you suggest, but not all of them.
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Actually, it is similar to a person living in China standing up and making comments about Chinese government policy. People do and are somewhat free to speak their minds however there can be a great cost for doing so.
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
YmirGF said:
Actually, it is similar to a person living in China standing up and making comments about Chinese government policy. People do and are somewhat free to speak their minds however there can be a great cost for doing so.
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True,for many Muslims their loyalty lyes with the Ummah and not with the Country they live in and can be seen as treason to speak out against a Brother Muslim,much like it was in Europe 500 years ago with the Holy Catholic See.
There are those who do speak out like the Progressive British Muslims who even promote Democracy Progressive British Muslims - concern over Islam4UK grows
 
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Sahar

Well-Known Member
astarath said:
I am not ignorant to the vast majority of good Muslims. You misunderstand, my issue is that same majority of good muslims allowing anti-semitic/US media to be published and aired in their coutnries and while they dont agree they remain silent against it. For a violent minority to be able to speak injustice and the majority to remain quiet out of lack of interest or sloth is saddening.

I myself have many friends who are Muslim and I ask them the same thing. Why do they not speak out against Jihad and the Mujahadeen. They dont have a response. Hate groups spring up in the western world and spew hate liable sheltered by our laws of free speech and the moderate Islamic groups are not there standing across the street denouncing them? Why?
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If by anti-semitic you mean anti-Zionist then I absolutely have no problem with it. If by anti-US you mean against the US government and its terrorism, I absolutely have no problem with it. If by Jihad you mean fighting against Zionist and American occupation of the Islamic countries, I am all for it.
I don't know about the violent groups there in the Western world but I know about them here and I know also that they are being fought by the scholars and the governments.
After all, your media love the "violent" and the "extremist" more.
 
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ayani

ayani

member
not4me ~

we are also talking about those extremist Muslims who call for the deaths of non-Muslims on nearly any grounds, who support acts of terrorism against non-combatants around the world to make a point about Islamic values and politics, who advocate for more violent and capitol readings and implementations of the Quran and sunnah, etc.

we are also talking about people with views like this:

Anjem Choudary on the Automatic non-Innocence of non-Muslims
 
Jeremiah

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
YmirGF said:
Actually, it is similar to a person living in China standing up and making comments about Chinese government policy. People do and are somewhat free to speak their minds however there can be a great cost for doing so.
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It's giving into terrorism in either case and terrorism does not go away by sticking one's head in the sand. I am not blaming anyone, who does not want to get involved, but because people don't get involved is the reason it persist.
 
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darkendless

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
not4me said:
If by anti-semitic you mean anti-Zionist then I absolutely have no problem with it. If by anti-US you mean against the US government and its terrorism, I absolutely have no problem with it. If by Jihad you mean fighting against Zionist and American occupation of the Islamic countries, I am all for it.
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This right here is why the west should fly home to their beers and family and leave the middle east to rot.
 
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ragordon168

Active Member
not4me said:
If by anti-semitic you mean anti-Zionist then I absolutely have no problem with it. If by anti-US you mean against the US government and its terrorism, I absolutely have no problem with it. If by Jihad you mean fighting against Zionist and American occupation of the Islamic countries, I am all for it.
I don't know about the violent groups there in the Western world but I know about them here and I know also that they are being fought by the scholars and the governments.
After all, your media love the "violent" and the "extremist" more.
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not4me we are unfortunatly stuck in a vicious circle. the us/israel commit an indescretion on the muslim world so some hate preacher stirs up trouble and attacks the us/israel. now the us/israel cannot be shown to take this lying down as this shows weakness and invites more assaults, so they retaliate and attack/invade a muslim area/country. this is then used by preachers to incite more hatred and the cycle restarts.

the only way imo to end the continous war and bloodshed is to leave each other alone, the us/uk get the hell out of the middle east, we have no right to be there. israel gets inside the initial borders it was given and stays there. in exchange the muslim countries stop the attacks. any who continue to fight (both sides) should be charged with treason and dealt with according to national laws.

darkendless said:
This right here is why the west should fly home to their beers and family and leave the middle east to rot.
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and you wonder why the muslim world hates the west?
 
Cobblestones

Cobblestones

Devoid of Ettiquette
astarath said:
I am not ignorant to the vast majority of good Muslims. You misunderstand, my issue is that same majority of good muslims allowing anti-semitic/US media to be published and aired in their coutnries and while they dont agree they remain silent against it. For a violent minority to be able to speak injustice and the majority to remain quiet out of lack of interest or sloth is saddening.

I myself have many friends who are Muslim and I ask them the same thing. Why do they not speak out against Jihad and the Mujahadeen. They dont have a response. Hate groups spring up in the western world and spew hate liable sheltered by our laws of free speech and the moderate Islamic groups are not there standing across the street denouncing them? Why?
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Because they are better than the people who would kill them for speaking out against them? Because they believe that living out their faith is best done in their own lives? Because they don't want to become like the people that they oppose? Take your pick.
 
Cobblestones

Cobblestones

Devoid of Ettiquette
ayani said:
because they are scared. really. they may disagree and be truly upset and saddened by the hatred, rascism, and violence they see extremist Muslims propogate. but they know the risks of publically speaking up against these kinds of people, and many are dismayed and heart-broken in near-silence for the safety of themselves and loved ones. many don't consider it worth the risk or effort, even if they wanted to, and so do their best to live Islam peacefully and kindly, and perhaps to speak out on-line. to live out Islam as they wish to see it lived out, as a lifestyle witness, instead of actively taking on the extremists themselves.
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Exactly.
 
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