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How could a perfect God create an imperfect world?
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painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
perfection is boring
wa:do
wa:do
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
I am not! 
Malus 12:9
Temporarily Deactive.
Perfection leads to arrogance.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Perfection would be the absense of arrogance.
EnhancedSpirit
High Priestess
God created a perfect world and mankind messed it up.
Looking Through God's Eyes [font=Arial, Helvetica]
They say that God is everywhere protecting you and me,
They say that every move we make God Watches and He Sees.
I walked into my neighborhood to see what God had done,
To see what little Children were doing, how they were having fun.
At the first corner I saw a homeless family at a soup kitchen,
How could God be with these people, and with many others I do not mention?
I walked on and saw a little boy with no arms in a wheelchair,
How could God be so cruel, and not show this boy any love or care?
A school violence victim was next to cross my path,
How could God let this little girl fall into violences wrath?
Lastly was a loner reading his Bible, while other kids passed him by,
How could God not give this boy any friends, why, God, oh why?
A thought struck me, and I stopped and looked around,
For these people were not lost, they were Gods servants; they were found.
I thought back to the soup kitchen, God was giving them food and a residence,
I thought back to the handicapped boy, God was giving him peace and joy in his presence.
I thought back to the little girl, God kept her safe and sound,
I thought back to the loner, God was helping him become heaven-bound.
If I look at the bad, thats all that I will I see,
We must look at it through Gods eyes, not through the eyes of you or me.
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Looking Through God's Eyes [font=Arial, Helvetica]
They say that God is everywhere protecting you and me,
They say that every move we make God Watches and He Sees.
I walked into my neighborhood to see what God had done,
To see what little Children were doing, how they were having fun.
At the first corner I saw a homeless family at a soup kitchen,
How could God be with these people, and with many others I do not mention?
I walked on and saw a little boy with no arms in a wheelchair,
How could God be so cruel, and not show this boy any love or care?
A school violence victim was next to cross my path,
How could God let this little girl fall into violences wrath?
Lastly was a loner reading his Bible, while other kids passed him by,
How could God not give this boy any friends, why, God, oh why?
A thought struck me, and I stopped and looked around,
For these people were not lost, they were Gods servants; they were found.
I thought back to the soup kitchen, God was giving them food and a residence,
I thought back to the handicapped boy, God was giving him peace and joy in his presence.
I thought back to the little girl, God kept her safe and sound,
I thought back to the loner, God was helping him become heaven-bound.
If I look at the bad, thats all that I will I see,
We must look at it through Gods eyes, not through the eyes of you or me.
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Malus 12:9
Temporarily Deactive.
I may rephrase my statement. Perfection can lead to arrogance, thus ruining theirNetDoc said:
perfection and making them "not perfect" anymore.:biglaugh:
It's possible.
There is religious moral in that if anyone can see it.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Renaldo,
the pursuit of perfection often leads to arrogance. Especially, it the person is deluded enough to think that they have a shot at it.
the pursuit of perfection often leads to arrogance. Especially, it the person is deluded enough to think that they have a shot at it.
Malus 12:9
Temporarily Deactive.
It sure does. It also leads to a sore butt as they fall flat on it.NetDoc said:
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Frubals on your head! ND Bwahahaha!
ND Bwahahaha!
Uncertaindrummer
Active Member
Anyone who asks "How could God let all this evil exist in the world" immediately concedes the argument. Without a God, there IS NO good or evil.
Malus 12:9
Temporarily Deactive.
Without God, there is no US period.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Try that on the Deutster, UD! I think he would take exception to that! :E
Master Vigil
Well-Known Member
I would definitely disagree. I would say we invented the concept of god to try to understand, or better teach our culturally defined standards of "good and evil."Uncertaindrummer said:
Uncertaindrummer
Active Member
There are no good and evil actions if there is not someone to judge them who clearly has greater authority than you. If there is not a God, the action of one person punching someone else for no reason is just some chemical reactions occuring which move the arm in a certain manner, which impacts another being, which in turn changes the physical structure of his face. It is neutral. Who are you to say that is evil?
Uncertaindrummer
Active Member
Deutser? Sorry, don't get the reference...NetDoc said:
Master Vigil
Well-Known Member
The point is, there does not need to be some "god" to judge actions. We have society and culture to do that. And they do, and have done that since the beginning of societal structure. Since there is no god, society and our own personal judgements allow us to see the negative implications of physical violence. Who are you to say it is neutral??Uncertaindrummer said:
Personally, I believe good and evil to be totally subjective concepts. They are completely based on culture, perceptions, experience, etc... There is no god that dictates what is right or wrong. Only men dictating, and using a fictional concept of "god" to back up their egos.
blueman
God's Warrior
God created man and woman and gave they free will to choose. The imperfection of this world is more attributable to sin and disobedience and the fact that there is an adversary to God (Satan) that also has influence in this world and the people who inhabit it as well. 1 Peter 5:8,9 reinforces this fact.
Master Vigil
Well-Known Member
And yet human sin and satan were god's creations, thus evil is still god's creation. Unless you accept that god is not omnipotent, or omniscient. But I'm sure you don't want to limit your god, that wouldn't make him much of a god would it?blueman said:God created man and woman and gave they free will to choose. The imperfection of this world is more attributable to sin and disobedience and the fact that there is an adversary to God (Satan) that also has influence in this world and the people who inhabit it as well. 1 Peter 5:8,9 reinforces this fact.
peacefulness
Member
but who created the tree?Victor said: