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Set - Lucifer

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
I am very interested in both Dr. Aquino's & Michael Ford's philosophies.
I would like to ask what, if any, are the differences between non-theistic Luciferianism and Setianism?
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Sorry, Lucifer not as the Abrahamic representation of the Fallen Angel. Not as a deity. Nothing objective, save perhaps the archetypal use in psychodrama.

I will list what I believe this non-theistic Lucifer is not, with hopes that the more knowledgeable here might explain to me how Luciferianism & Setianism differ as well as how they may be complimentary to one another.

Thanks
 

enchanted_one1975

Resident Lycanthrope
:confused: Dang and I was hoping I would learn more about Seth when I saw the title of this thread. Well maybe after the discussion gets going? :yes:
 
Okay, I hope to get your point.
Do you see Lucifer as an individual structure that people creates during a psycho-dramatic ritual session, as created pattern within the own subjective universe? Thus, Lucifer doesn't exist outside of the ritual ?
 
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EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Okay, I hope to get your point.
Do you see Lucifer as an individual structure that people creates during a psycho-dramatic ritual session, as created pattern within the own subjective universe? Thus, Lucifer doesn't exist outside of the ritual ?
I would yes, I do feel as if this is the way this Luciferian current would exist. Is this how Set is also used in Setian practice?
 
I speak only for myself:

Set has reality beyond the natural/cosmic order; its an independent being. He is not created by the human consciousness during the ritual, but we can perceive Him by our psyche. He is "objective real" and works within the Universe. It's not a individual thing...to understand this idea I recommend you to study of the First Forms as pointed out by Plato.
 
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EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Yet, as I understand it Set is also separate from the Universe. A goal of both Luciferian and Setian practice, to separate from the objective universe and become 'self-deified' so to speak. Please, correct me if I misunderstand something.
 
According to the Tantric philosophies we are illuminated. In our context: we are separate, thus we don't try to separate ourselfes, we strenghten our separate state of being.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
I have read Luciferian uses of the Tree of Life as a metaphor (at least I believe it to be metaphorical), that one climbs spiritually up the Tree, Sephiroth by Sephiroth until you reach the final Supernal, until then we are considered all on the same spiritual path, it is then you continue either the RHP of Theurgy (One with the Universe) or ascend into Daath / Abyss and emerge onto the Tree of Death where you, through engaging with the Qliphothic entities, gain the needed wisdom and abilities to finish stepping through the Tree of Death and eventually 'separating' yourself from the Universe thus becoming reborn as One.

I may have simplified this process and perhaps misunderstood some of it, corrections are most welcome.
 

Sireal

Setian
Well said :)


I speak only for myself:

Set has reality beyond the natural/cosmic order; its an independent being. He is not created by the human consciousness during the ritual, but we can perceive Him by our psyche. He is "objective real" and works within the Universe. It's not a individual thing...to understand this idea I recommend you to study of the First Forms as pointed out by Plato.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
sinistercurrent, thank you for the definition and I will look into Plato's 'First Forms'.

What can be said about the Christian / Hermetic idea that we are merely part of their God's consciousness / mental construct and not the other way around?

It does seem irrational that this God would choose to not reveal himself unless surrendered to.

thoughts?
 
What can be said about the Christian / Hermetic idea that we are merely part of their God's consciousness / mental construct and not the other way around?

If there is only one consciousness which we partake why Christians needs moral values to order the masses ?
 
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