The Bible and the Book of Mormon

EnhancedSpirit · Jun 9, 2005

Katzpur said:
Wow! A fellow Salt Laker! I can't recall ever using that "cop-out" myself. I would be more inclined to explain apparent contraditions, etc. by saying, "There's more to it than the Bible says." Just as a quick "for instance...", I have heard many, many Christians claim that Jesus' statement in Luke 20:34-36 ("The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage. But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.") is a direct contradiction of the LDS belief in the eternal nature of the marriage covenant. I certainly don't think there is a translation error in this passage, but I don't believe that the Bible provides us with all of the finer points of this doctrine. When understood in the context in which we believe this statement was made, there is no contradition between LDS belief and what Jesus said. In my opinion (and I'm sure it is shared by many of my Faith), there are fewer actual translation errors than omissions.

Kathryn

Luke 20:34-36 is referring to being in Heaven. Jesus is asked if a woman loses many husbands and remarries in her lifetime, which would be her husband in heaven. Jesus says that in heaven there is no marriage between man and woman.

fromthe heart · Jun 9, 2005

Melody said:
You take another faith's holy book, make some changes where you think there is error (or don't like what's being said) and then say "yep, we believe the same thing". That makes no sense at all.

I should just go take the Qu'ran, make a number of changes because I think there is error (or don't like what's being said) and then say "yep, Islam and Christianity believe the same thing".

I agree with Melodys point...It also says in Galatians that Paul told the Galatians that they were accursed for trying to change the scriptures; that the scripture was the words of God given to His disciples and not just words written with mans opinion.

njcl · Jun 9, 2005

sorry but i do not believe nothing but whats in the bible,how do i know this guy was not suffering schizephrenia at the time of his visions,im not trying to insult the mormons as they have a belief in christ but isnt it the same sect that says marrying more than 1 woman is ok??...same with the visions of st bernadette,again im not saying its not true as there have been recorded cases of miraculous healings at lourdes but what would happen if a young woman claimed to have seen mary in a vision today?,answer locked up in a lunatic asylum no doubt of that,so as you see im very very sceptical of supposed saints outside of the bible

James the Persian · Jun 9, 2005

njcl said:
sorry but i do not believe nothing but whats in the bible,how do i know this guy was not suffering schizephrenia at the time of his visions,im not trying to insult the mormons as they have a belief in christ but isnt it the same sect that says marrying more than 1 woman is ok??...same with the visions of st bernadette,again im not saying its not true as there have been recorded cases of miraculous healings at lourdes but what would happen if a young woman claimed to have seen mary in a vision today?,answer locked up in a lunatic asylum no doubt of that,so as you see im very very sceptical of supposed saints outside of the bible

I take it you've never heard of Medjugorje or Zeitoun? People still claim to see visions of the Theotokos all the time and they aren't locked up in lunatic asylums - often they're taken very seriously. The first one I mentioned above was a Roman Catholic apparition in Yugoslavia and the Second a Coptic Orthodox one in Egypt. Both are recent and I'd say it's only Protestants who dismiss such things out of hand.

James

EnhancedSpirit · Jun 9, 2005

njcl said:
sorry but i do not believe nothing but whats in the bible,how do i know this guy was not suffering schizephrenia at the time of his visions,im not trying to insult the mormons as they have a belief in christ but isnt it the same sect that says marrying more than 1 woman is ok??...same with the visions of st bernadette,again im not saying its not true as there have been recorded cases of miraculous healings at lourdes but what would happen if a young woman claimed to have seen mary in a vision today?,answer locked up in a lunatic asylum no doubt of that,so as you see im very very sceptical of supposed saints outside of the bible

Which bible? Protestants and Mormons and Catholics all have different scriptures to learn by, yet they are all Christians. Even if you say the good ole KJV this book was ordained by a king, not God, and not a church. God's truth can be found everywhere.

njcl · Jun 9, 2005

my brother is a male nurse at our local lunatic asylum,guess who 99% of the pyschotics claim to be or associated with??...yep i do not even need to name him...i do not know this mormon guy and im not really interested in him or his prophesies but as long as the mormons continue peace with all men and proclaim jesus as the christ then all fine and dandy

reyjamiei · Jun 9, 2005

njcl said:
sorry but i do not believe nothing but whats in the bible,how do i know this guy was not suffering schizephrenia at the time of his visions,

How do you know that Paul wasn't suffering from schizephrenia at the time of his vision? You weren't there but you believe what's been written in the Bible by other people who weren't there.

njcl said:
im not trying to insult the mormons as they have a belief in christ but isnt it the same sect that says marrying more than 1 woman is ok??...

Polygamy isn't allowed in the Mormon Church.

njcl · Jun 9, 2005

sorry for my mistake on the marriage situation of the mormons,as for paul suffering an mental illness im pretty sure timothy,barnabus and appollos would have picked up on it and deserted paul if that was the case

reyjamiei · Jun 9, 2005

njcl said:
as for paul suffering an mental illness im pretty sure timothy,barnabus and appollos would have picked up on it and deserted paul if that was the case

Then wouldn't the same be true of Joseph Smith and his followers. Joseph Smith was never declared a lunatic or treated for schizophrenia. But you don't know what happened between Timothy, Barnabus, Appollos and Paul after the Biblical account ends.

Melody · Jun 9, 2005

njcl said:
sorry but i do not believe nothing but whats in the bible,how do i know this guy was not suffering schizephrenia at the time of his visions,im not trying to insult the mormons as they have a belief in christ but isnt it the same sect that says marrying more than 1 woman is ok??...same with the visions of st bernadette,again im not saying its not true as there have been recorded cases of miraculous healings at lourdes but what would happen if a young woman claimed to have seen mary in a vision today?,answer locked up in a lunatic asylum no doubt of that,so as you see im very very sceptical of supposed saints outside of the bible

NJCL,
If we look at our own faith (whatever that may be), from a non-believer's viewpoint we're all a bit whacko.

As for men marrying more than one woman...I've often told me husband that *we* need a wife.

EnhancedSpirit · Jun 9, 2005

Melody said:
NJCL,
If we look at our own faith (whatever that may be), from a non-believer's viewpoint we're all a bit whacko.

As for men marrying more than one woman...I've often told me husband that *we* need a wife.

I want a wife, too.:jam: A little help with the chitlans would be greatly appreciated. And we are a little wack0 aren't we? I bet Duet and TVOR really enjoy the show we put on for them.

Melody · Jun 9, 2005

EnhancedSpirit said:
I want a wife, too.:jam: A little help with the chitlans would be greatly appreciated. And we are a little wack0 aren't we? I bet Duet and TVOR really enjoy the show we put on for them.

Speaking of....where *is* TVOR??

Zlot · Jun 9, 2005

EnhancedSpirit said:
I want a wife, too.:jam: A little help with the chitlans would be greatly appreciated. And we are a little wack0 aren't we? I bet Duet and TVOR really enjoy the show we put on for them.

you and melody are so refreshingly wack0.you make me smile

EnhancedSpirit · Jun 9, 2005

Zlot said:
you and melody are so refreshingly wack0.you make me smile

you should have seen us argueing yesterday. She did it:149:

Melody · Jun 9, 2005

EnhancedSpirit said:
you should have seen us argueing yesterday. She did it:149:

Did not. :162: :biglaugh:

Prima · Jun 9, 2005

sorry for my mistake on the marriage situation of the mormons,as for paul suffering an mental illness im pretty sure timothy,barnabus and appollos would have picked up on it and deserted paul if that was the case

I'm not sure why mental illness means that you should be deserted. Although one would think that if that were the case, someone would have realized it. But the point remains that there is no PROOF that it was not the case.

Katzpur · Jun 9, 2005

EnhancedSpirit said:
Luke 20:34-36 is referring to being in Heaven. Jesus is asked if a woman loses many husbands and remarries in her lifetime, which would be her husband in heaven. Jesus says that in heaven there is no marriage between man and woman.

Hi, Spirit.

Yes, I know what Luke 20:34-36 is saying. That was the point of my post.

Kathryn

Katzpur · Jun 9, 2005

fromthe heart said:
I agree with Melodys point...It also says in Galatians that Paul told the Galatians that they were accursed for trying to change the scriptures; that the scripture was the words of God given to His disciples and not just words written with mans opinion.

Hi, Fromtheheart.

Which translation of the Bible is the correct one? Do you have any idea how different the many translations currently used by Christians actually are?

Kathryn

DeepShadow · Jun 9, 2005

fromthe heart said:
I agree with Melodys point...It also says in Galatians that Paul told the Galatians that they were accursed for trying to change the scriptures; that the scripture was the words of God given to His disciples and not just words written with mans opinion.

I would agree with that. It would appear then that a lot of people have been "accursed," but what does God do about their errors and changes? We believe he sent someone to correct the changes back to what they used to be. You may or may not believe that, but please understand the difference.

dan · Jun 28, 2005

Katzpur said:
Hi, Fromtheheart.

Which translation of the Bible is the correct one? Do you have any idea how different the many translations currently used by Christians actually are?

Kathryn

I have several different translations of the Bible and find the differences to be fascinating. I've translated many chapters from the Bible myself and can see how different belief systems can and do influence translation, but at the same time, hundreds of different manuscripts can be found for just about every chapter out of the Bible, making the decision of which manuscript to use very difficult.

Joseph Smith said the old German translation was the most correct. This would be the Martin Luther version. Recently this version was barred from print. You cannot find a Martin Luther version of the Bible anymore unless you search the antique stores in Germany. The new version is similar, but has signifigant differences. A friend of mine who served her mission in Germany is loaning me a Martin Luther copy next week. I'm looking forward to going through it.

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