Mickiel's proof of God.

Jayhawker Soule · Oct 15, 2009

MSizer said:
What? OK, should I, the atheist suddenly disappear in a puff of logic? No. There is no connection between belief and reality. They're independent.

At the same time, it is a fallacy to insinuate that all unproven inferences are equally rational or irrational. The argument-by-spaghetti-monster, while cute, is nonetheless vapid.

Humanistheart · Oct 15, 2009

It's rather hard to take jawhawke seriously when he never offers any reasoning or explaination for his claims. Perhaps he'd like to ellaborate on how the spagetthi monster argument is any more 'vapid' than a belief in an fictional being like god.

pensive · Oct 15, 2009

Jayhawker Soule said:
At the same time, it is a fallacy to insinuate that all unproven inferences are equally rational or irrational. The argument-by-spaghetti-monster, while cute, is nonetheless vapid.

I disagree with you. God, magical flying horses, and The Spaghetti Monster are all supernatural beings, beings that by definition exist outside of the sane, rational parameters of the physical world we live in. I'd argue that they're all equally irrational for that reason. All of them are such extraordinary claims that they will require equally extraordinary evidence to support them.

Humanistheart · Oct 15, 2009

pensive said:
I disagree with you. God, magical flying horses, and The Spaghetti Monster are all supernatural beings, beings that by definition exist outside of the sane, rational parameters of the physical world we live in. I'd argue that they're all equally irrational for that reason. All of them are such extraordinary claims that they will require equally extraordinary evidence to support them.

Well said.

jam.bar · Oct 15, 2009

mickiel said:
There is up and there is down. Positive and negative, two sides to the coin, but each side proves the other side exist. There is good and evil, both oppisite ends of a spectrum, but each proves that the other exist. There is belief in God and unbelief, yet each proves that the other exist. Unbelief in God exist, and this unbelief proves that God exist, because there must be unbelief, in order for there to be belief. One is simply the other end of the other.

Atheist themselves are proof of God. Only God could have removed the sight of him, the belief in him, from a human consciousness, nothingelse is powerful enough to do that. Being asleep is one end, being awake is another, but each proves the others existance, although both are two entirely differing things. We cannot see God, hear him, understand him and just outright be for sure where he is, but we are conscious of him. Our conscious awareness of him, coupled with the Atheist denial of him, is proof that he exist. They are two different ends that show each others reality.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

No. Just. . . . . . just. . . no. .

mickiel · Oct 15, 2009

Atheist, yet another proof of God. The mythical is proof of the real, the real proof of the mythical, both converse in the mind of man. In the course of schizophrenia hallucinations create human belief and knowledge, and they are just as real to us as facts and fears. Atheism is the standard of humanity that just cannot believe there is a God, they are our realist, our " Prove it to me bunch", i HAVE TO SEE TO BELIEVE. ALL OF THE MOST IMPORTANT HUMAN ADVANCES WERE FIRST not seen, and then they were developed from that blindness. The blindness of Atheism is a vital door to God, its the beginning of wisdom.

Atheist are important to my belief, I don't think I would have believed in God without them. I needed the " Weight of oppisition" to excercise my search.

And thats what Atheist are, the burden of opposing that which seems so amazing as there being a God.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

MSizer · Oct 15, 2009

mickiel said:
Atheist, yet another proof of God. The mythical is proof of the real, the real proof of the mythical, both converse in the mind of man. In the course of schizophrenia hallucinations create human belief and knowledge, and they are just as real to us as facts and fears. Atheism is the standard of humanity that just cannot believe there is a God, they are our realist, our " Prove it to me bunch", i HAVE TO SEE TO BELIEVE. ALL OF THE MOST IMPORTANT HUMAN ADVANCES WERE FIRST not seen, and then they were developed from that blindness. The blindness of Atheism is a vital door to God, its the beginning of wisdom.

Atheist are important to my belief, I don't think I would have believed in God without them. I needed the " Weight of oppisition" to excercise my search.

And thats what Atheist are, the burden of opposing that which seems so amazing as there being a God.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

OK, so then the athiest is the poor **** who will be damned to hell so that you can be saved? Must be nice. How did I get the crap end of the stick?

Alceste · Oct 15, 2009

mickiel, yet another proof that a functioning brain is not a requirement for mammalian survival.

mickiel · Oct 15, 2009

If we erase all of our preconceptions of there being a God, then we have the poetry of Atheism to guide us into the unknown. The abnormal quality of speech that would ensue from that would immediately arrest us. Atheism is not ordinary dialog, in fact most Atheist I have conversed with are abnormal conversationist. I find myself having to teach them manners moreso than understanding, I call this the " Atheist Chip", on the shoulder of all groups who experience discrimination.

What is the psychology of an Atheist?

And I want to examine that from some different points of view.

Peace.

pensive · Oct 15, 2009

mickiel said:
The mythical is proof of the real, the real proof of the mythical...

This doesn't even make sense? What does it mean to "prove" the mythical? How does the mythical prove the real?

Right out of the gate, you've made an assertion that doesn't make sense, then make no attempt to defend that assertion.

mickiel said:
In the course of schizophrenia hallucinations create human belief and knowledge, and they are just as real to us as facts and fears.

You're trying to prove God is real via schizophrenia? That's...creative...

mickiel · Oct 15, 2009

MSizer said:
OK, so then the athiest is the poor **** who will be damned to hell so that you can be saved? Must be nice. How did I get the crap end of the stick?

Oh no, Atheist are not dammed to hell, you do not know my belief. All Atheist are destined to be with God, just as they now are destined to oppose him. Atheist are one of the most important ingredients in Gods plan of salvation, but I am ahead of myself, I will go into that later.

Peace.

mickiel · Oct 15, 2009

pensive said:
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You're trying to prove God is real via schizophrenia? That's...creative...

I am not trying to prove God exist, you misunderstand me. I already know he exist, and it matters not to me whoelse knows. I am going to show that Atheist are proof of Gods existance, but not try to convince others of that. Let people decide for themselves.

But yes, I think schizophrenia is a proof of God, the utter lack of being able to deal with your own consciousness. Does God exist in the mind gone mad, the answer is disturbingly interesting, but yet simular to what goes on in the mind of each Atheist, each religious Christian, each and every human. The psyche, which is the soul of the conscious mind, is the substance of human development. I propose that Atheist are part of the orgin of human belief in God itself.

And I want to explain that.

Peace.

pensive · Oct 15, 2009

mickiel said:
I am not trying to prove God exist....I am going to show that Atheist are proof of Gods existance...

You contradict yourself within a single paragraph.

jam.bar · Oct 15, 2009

mickiel said:
I am not trying to prove God exist, you misunderstand me. I already know he exist,
Peace.

How do you know he exists?

I'm sorry. I'm just not buying that God exists on the theory that athiests believe he doesn't. And even if that logic were true, that would only prove that people believe he exists. Not that he actually does.

mickiel · Oct 15, 2009

pensive said:
You contradict yourself within a single paragraph.

I am contridiction myself, so I understand your point. My life, my mind is a contridiction, so I accept the point. I view Atheism from this contridiction, because Atheism is a contridiction.

But I think I know who started the contridiction, it was God himself. And let me get into some of that.

Peace.

mickiel · Oct 15, 2009

jam.bar said:
How do you know he exists?

I'm sorry. I'm just not buying that God exists on the theory that athiests believe he doesn't. And even if that logic were true, that would only prove that people believe he exists. Not that he actually does.

I am not selling that God exist to Atheist, why should I try to straighten what God has bent? Each Atheist alive is proof that God exist, nothing living has gave itself that life. Atheist just define life as happenstance history that developed from nothing, into a planet of the apes. And then humanity evolved from there. This is what God wanted, this view, this belief, and unbelief. The advent of the knowledge of for and against.

The positive and negative, both proof of each other.

Peace.

jam.bar · Oct 15, 2009

mickiel said:
I am not selling that God exist to Atheist, why should I try to straighten what God has bent?

I never said you were. I asked "how do you know God exists?"

mickiel said:
Each Atheist alive is proof that God exist, nothing living has gave itself that life.

Then by this logic, each Christian alive is proof that God doesn't exist.

mickiel said:
Atheist just define life as happenstance history that developed from nothing, into a planet of the apes. And then humanity evolved from there. This is what God wanted, this view, this belief, and unbelief. The advent of the knowledge of for and against.

The positive and negative, both proof of each other.

Peace.

Again, by your logic, all that the unbelief proves is that the belief is real. Not the existence.
Anyway. Your logic makes no sense. Either God exists, or he doesn't. You can't have both. This logic does not prove that he exists.

Autodidact · Oct 15, 2009

mickiel said:
I am not trying to prove God exist, you misunderstand me. I already know he exist, and it matters not to me whoelse knows. I am going to show that Atheist are proof of Gods existance, but not try to convince others of that. Let people decide for themselves.

Oh, well your thread title: Atheist, another proof of God. confused us.

But yes, I think schizophrenia is a proof of God, the utter lack of being able to deal with your own consciousness. Does God exist in the mind gone mad, the answer is disturbingly interesting, but yet simular to what goes on in the mind of each Atheist, each religious Christian, each and every human. The psyche, which is the soul of the conscious mind, is the substance of human development. I propose that Atheist are part of the orgin of human belief in God itself.

I have to send this in to that guy who complies the list of batty proofs of the existence of God:

Crazy people exist.
Therefore, God exists.

Right.

And I want to explain that.

Peace.

You want to explain, prove and go into a lot of things, so please feel free to do so. Any time now.

mickiel · Oct 15, 2009

jam.bar said:
I never said you were. I asked "how do you know God exists?"

I know he exist by you. You are proof that God exist to me. Your denial, your lack of belief, you, you prove God to me. Your mind, your consciousness which refuses your creator, you are proof to me.

When I was a child, the thought of not going to school was there with me all the time. That thought was proof to me that I should go. The thought of disobeying the law was always there, which helped me to obey the law. The thought of stealing helped me not to steal. The thought of Atheism helped me to believe in God.

This is by design, we need that which would mislead us, to lead us.

Peace.

Autodidact · Oct 15, 2009

mickiel said:
jam.bar said:

I never said you were. I asked "how do you know God exists?"

I know he exist by you. You are proof that God exist to me. Your denial, your lack of belief, you, you prove God to me. Your mind, your consciousness which refuses your creator, you are proof to me.

When I was a child, the thought of not going to school was there with me all the time. That thought was proof to me that I should go. The thought of disobeying the law was always there, which helped me to obey the law. The thought of stealing helped me not to steal. The thought of Atheism helped me to believe in God.

This is by design, we need that which would mislead us, to lead us.

Peace.

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And, by the same token, your denial of God's lack of existence proves not-God to me. Yes, you, mickiel, you are proof to me that there is no God. *resists temptation to mock mickiel further*

Mickiel's proof of God.

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