madhatter85
Transhumanist
It takes great intellectual dishonest with ones self not to see the apparent problems in your "Indications of PLausibility" The funny thing is that even your link says it's NOT proof and you say it's plenty enough evidence. Odd no?
not really, the only "proof" is the Holy Ghost, which testifies of truth.
Not really, Considering that the Book of Mormon follows a group of Christians who came from Jerusalem, who must have had the words of Isaiah. not only that but the Sermon of the Mount and 3rd Nephi chapter 11 are strikingly similar in comparison. This points to the fact that the same truths were taught to multiple groups of people.For example....don't you find it interesting that the Book of Mormon was plagiarized from the 1611 KJV Bible. In the ORIGINAL book of Mormon there is even I Corinthians 13 and Isaiah 53 are quoted in full....even the italics words which are ADDED by translators.
Olmecs and Jaredites, Please provide me with the exact chance that 2 civilizations, during 2500 BC, would have the exact same historical time line in the same geographical area.The fact remains that not one shred of archeological evidence supports any claim the Book of Mormon makes about the particular people mentioned in it.
You think you are the first to try and point out the changes made? and you are completely off by that number. where are you getting your info from? the back of an anti-mormon pamphlet?The fact that there have been over 4,000 CHANGES made to the book of Mormon is an embarrassment sense according to John Smith and his "witnesses" God said it was 100% accurate and correct. Yet they have had to change contradictions and names over time.
The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.[114] New introductions, chapter summaries, and footnotes. 1920 edition errors corrected based on Original Manuscript and 1840 edition.[115]
- ^ The revised text was first published in 1981 and the subtitle was added in October 1982: "Report of the 152nd Semiannual General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". Ensign: 1. November 1982. LDS.org - Ensign Article - Report of the 152nd Semiannual General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Retrieved 2009-02-12.
- ^ a b c d e f g h i j Skousen, Royal (1992). "Book of Mormon Editions (1830-1981)". Encyclopedia of Mormonism. 1. Macmillan. pp. 175–6. http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Book_of_Mormon_Editions_(1830-1981). Retrieved 2009-02-12.
The term "Christian" is used in the Book of Mormon at the year 72 BC in the book of Alma 5 times. Might i add that the prophesy of the messiah came long before then. Also the Bible only uses the term "Christian" 3 times.The Book of Mormon dates Christianity to a time BEFORE Christ even existed and says the term Christian was used BEFORE Christ existed....over 100 years before Christ. How can there be Christains when there was no Christ? The term Christian isn't coined till well after the death of JEsus. There weren't "Christians" when JEsus walked the planet.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of my beliefs. God only causes his will to be done regardless of anything else when it is necessary. It is my belief that the consequences for sin are natural consequences.I didn't say GOd's will was random....I said the outcomes that you believe to be GOd's will are random. I'm not sayign that it comes from god but that it comes from you. You believe as you wish to believe. That's fine. BUt it's intellectually bankrupt. I could make a milk jug as powerful as GOd when it comes to prayer. It's a matter of fatih and statistics at that point. The milk jug is as powerful as God.
Still, Fear.... most religions use fear as a way to control the masses.I was once a Methodist......I didn't live in fear of my immortal soul. I lived in fear for YOUR immortal soul.
I did not reduce anything. I merely stated a fact that my belief in God makes me a better person.But it is you that reduced it down to the idea that were it not for religion you wouldn't be the good guy you are.
So you say it is justifiable to break a commandment to be a surrogate mother? Also, Sarai did bare a son, Isaac. If God knew that he would eventually have a son, why would God condone sin? no he would not.Well again I'm going to have to use your own religoin to trump you.
1. The arrangement between Sarai, Hagar, and Abram is HARDLY polygamy. Hagar was a surrogate mother at best. What was the reason this arrangment was needed? Apparently God didn't see fit to make Sarai fertile....so a common practice was to have a maid servant stand in. But that didn't make Hagar Abraham's wife. She was just a chick that Abraham boned so that he could have a son.
But alas.....what was the outcome of that arrangment? What happened to poor Ishmael? The Good Book tells us:
You answered your own question. He was cast out for Sin, not for just "being born"Genesis 16:11-12
"The Angel of the Lord also said to her: You are now with child adn you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard of your misery. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."
Now I don't know about you but that doesn't sound a bit good. And it isn't. IShmael was thrown out of Abrahams family for mocking the TRUE son of the TRUE wife Isaac. Ishmael goes on to father a great nation that is very hostile toward the nation of Israel. One of Ishmael's daughters marries Esau....and you know....God hated Esau.
Please see my above response.So yeah...once again....anything outside of the ORIGINAL marraige leads to nothing but BAD stuff. Says so in the BIble.
You might as well concede this point.
Exactly, we are all commanded to forgive one another, if we do not forgive we ourselves cannot obtain forgiveness.So it's OK for God to hold one or two stupid mistakes against you, but when others do it....it's illogical? David was very blessed....but he disobeyed God time after time.
Doctrine and Covenants 64:
10 I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is required to forgive all men.