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Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
Book of Genesis ch.19
30Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32Let’s get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father.”
33That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
34The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I lay with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
36So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites of today.

Is it a revelation from heaven? I can't believe it. I feel disgusted,angrey and i believe that people wrote this. It's neither right, nor from God.
Same applies to the worst,accusing God of having sex.As the man who wrote genesis claimed God promised Sarah that _______.
ch.21
1Now the Lord was gracious to Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did for Sarah what he had promised. 2Sarah became pregnant and bore a son to Abraham in his old age,

:no:..Glory to Allah,subhanah and a'uthu billah. :mad:
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Bah!
In Genesis 1 and 2 is the origin of the physical universe as we know it. In Genesis 3 is the origin of evil. Turn in your Bible to Genesis Chapter 3. I want to read this passage just so it's set in your mind. After the six days of God's creation, He rested. "Everything he had made," according to Chapter 1 Verse 31, "was very good," and God rested. He had created a perfect universe. But we live in anything but a perfect universe, and there's a reason. When you come to Chapter 3, a dramatic scene takes place. And this is the reason why the world is the way it is. "Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, 'Indeed, has God said, You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'? And the woman said to the serpent, '>From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat from it or touch it, lest you die.' And the serpent said to the woman, 'You surely shall not die! For God knows that in the day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.' "Now when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings." The true diagnosis of the human condition stems from that event. God, the creator of the universe, is all good, and only good. And his original creation was all good and only good. The goodness of his creation was a reflection of the goodness of his nature.



If God created evil, then God would be both good and evil. And if God were both good and evil, there would be no hope for the ultimate triumph of good, which the Bible promises. If God were himself evil, he could not, therefore, triumph over evil, so good could not triumph. If God were the source of evil, he would have to be evil himself. And if He were evil himself, then there could be no basis for salvation, for God could not save us from evil if evil was in His nature. So the Biblical revelation of the original goodness of creation protects the goodness of God. And it makes the source of evil outside of God. Only if the source of evil is outside of God can God conquer evil and can God save sinners from evil.
 

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
Wait a minute. None of these happened ,neither what Chapter 19 and 21 claims, nor what ch.1 claims about the universe creation where you find six scientific errors showing that the Bible is wrong and that those who wrote it lied.
 
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Arkholt

Non-vessel
I dunno... I just seems like two of Lot's daughters had an idea, and went and took advantage of their father. Seems like another example of the immorality of the people of the time. It has nothing to do with revelation from God. It has to do with what two immoral people did. Where does it say God told them to commit those acts?
 

GiantHouseKey

Well-Known Member
Greetings

Firstly can I make a petty attack against the translation you are using ;)

Secondly, what part of that passage do you think to be a revelation? It doesn't seem to me like it is, nor does it seem that it is written to be so.

Also, we KNOW it was written by men. Whether or not it was Moses or a monk or somebody else, we are pretty sure it was a human. Why would you be angry at that?

GhK.
 

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
Now we know that many people claim that the Bible is a revelation from God, Acussing God and his prophets of such things is wrong. How do actribute such animal act to God?.God isn't like that, and he didn't reveal such a lie.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
Meh, there are plenty of horrible things hidden in pretty much all religious texts, and that includes Islam, Zhakir. Although whenever any are highlighted, everyone from heir respective religion claims "You have taken it out of context" or "You have the wrong translation" etc.

Of course, everbody knows all holy books weren't written by this God they claim, but instead by Men, so who cares?

:shrug:
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
Meh, there are plenty of horrible things hidden in pretty much all religious texts, and that includes Islam, Zhakir.

Hear here. :)

To me, this suggests a story about how people will go to extraordinary lengths in order to continue the lifeline of humanity on (perhaps they thought they were the only people in the world left), or how a society's loose morals continue on with the people from that society for a long time, even if the society no longer exists -- whilst at the same time attempting to explain various things within the area, perhaps an abundance of limestone or something like that, or a land that was smothered in the result of a volcano or earthquake or something, and explaining the rock formation, known as "Lot's wife" (not saying it's this one exactly, but fanciful stories can come of less than interestingly-shaped rocks).

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Of course, if the tale of Lot was true (which I don't believe it was), it says just as much about God being willing to destroy whole cities because he found their ways offensive - and if the actions of the two daughters of Lot offended him, why did he not smite them like he did with the two cities of Sodom and Gomorrah? And why did he not smite the civilizations such as Greece?
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Is it a revelation from heaven? I can't believe it. I feel disgusted,angrey and i believe that people wrote this. It's neither right, nor from God.
It is neither right, nor is the act portrayed condoned or authorized by God...

Same applies to the worst,accusing God of having sex.As the man who wrote genesis claimed God promised Sarah that _______.
ch.21
1Now the Lord was gracious to Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did for Sarah what he had promised. 2Sarah became pregnant and bore a son to Abraham in his old age,
Are you saying this verse says God had intimate relations with Sarah?

How do actribute such animal act to God?.
Who, but you, attributes the acts of Lot's children to God?
 

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
Meh, there are plenty of horrible things hidden in pretty much all religious texts, and that includes Islam, Zhakir. Although whenever any are highlighted, everyone from heir respective religion claims "You have taken it out of context" or "You have the wrong translation" etc.

Of course, everbody knows all holy books weren't written by this God they claim, but instead by Men, so who cares?

:shrug:
Yeah including thier "Islam". they number in hundreds.
But not the Qur'an which considers itself to be the only authentic islamic source.
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Zhakir come on now this was one of the reasons I was skeptical of Islam when I left it, and am still skeptical. The Bible came before the Koran, and you cannot prove it is anymore or less corrupted then any other book. Use your reasoning here for a moment. You act like the prophets were supposed to be the perfect examples of humanity. They may not have always been. I think it's unrealistic to assume they were. When I see Muslims behaving like you, like such a thing couldn't have happened, just because Islam teaches Lot was a prophet, it makes me very skeptical of Islam in general.
 
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