christian is a wrong term

According to the Bible, Jesus says to go out in pairs and declare the Good News or Gospel of the Kingdom of the Heavens to the people. The original scrolls in Greek have the latter distinction for Jesus as "Messiah" which was incorrectly turned into Christ by those false followers of Jesus who preferred man's way, turning themselves into what Jesus called "satan" as in the reference Jesus made of the apostle Peter and have thus launched the whole "Christianity" bit when they, the false prophets, created the new word "christ".

So I say there are no Christians because those who made up the word Christ so Jesus would have a last name, when there are no last names in the Bible or Hebrew Scriptures, are not qualified to create something that is expressly forbidden in the book of Revelation which states that plagues will befall those who 'add' to the scriptures or 'take away' from them.

Those who created the new word or term "Christ" and "Christian" adding something that was not intended on being there and stole away the truth of God by making the scriptures into their own copyrighted translation of their besmerched truthism.

Hence.... there is no Christ and no Christians in the world and never were.

He's just plain Jesus because Kristos means Messiah.

What are the followers of Jesus of Nazareth in the bible then called? Just what it says..... disciples.

t3gah said:

The original scrolls in Greek have ...

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Identify and verify these so-called "original scrolls".

t3gah,

Good piece of linguistic ignorance you've displayed here. The word Christ was not made up and nor is it a surname. Christos, from which Christ is derived in English, is simply a Greek word meaning 'the annointed one', which is exactly what Messiah means. In other words it's a simple translation of Hebrew into Greek. The term Jesus Christ, then, is not equivalent to saying 'Mr J. Christ', but rather 'Jesus the Annointed One'. Nobody made up a 'last name' for Jesus, it is a title.

You also seem to be remarkably ignorant of the Bible when you assert that Jesus' followers were simply known as 'disciples.' Haven't you read Acts? "and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch." - Acts 11:26.

The term Christian is perfectly acceptable. It simply means 'followers of the Messiah (Annointed One)'. How you could have any theological issue with that is beyond me - particularly when it's attested to in Scripture.

The fact that the English word Christ is not quite identical to the Greek Christos is completely irrelevent and is an artifact of its transliteration from Greek into Latin and then absorption into the phonetics of English. Why it was not translated as 'Annointed One' is a mystery to me, but it doesn't cause any problems - after all, you seem perfectly happy with the equally untranslated Messiah. In many other languages the title does still sound much like it does in Greek, for instance in Romanian it is Hristos. I'm constantly amazed when I find people making theological mountains out of linguistic molehills.

James

People frequently went by something similar to “Simon, son of Jonah” (Matthew 16:17). The phrase “son of Jonah” identified Simon as a different Simon than all the other Simons. This functioned very closely to a last name. Others used their occupation as a functional last name “Simon the tanner” (Acts 10:6). Jesus was sometimes called “Jesus of Nazareth” identifying where He was from (Matthew 26:71; John 18:5).

t3gah said:

Hence.... there is no Christ and no Christians in the world and never were.

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Uh..if you say so.

Then, tegah, what do name do you give Christians? What do you suggest?

Matt 16:20:Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ

I almost agree with t3gah, in that day, it was an "Explicitive Deleted", a slur, a put down.

I prefer to be called "Of the Way".

I let Christians glory in their slur name. It is like the Native American going from the "Principal People" to Indian. Who would have thunk, Christian and Indian would stick as a badge of glory!

Yeah, right! That Christ means Annointed and we are talking about Greek speaking people coining the word Christian. Those people did not believe there was an "annointed King of Kings!" Go figure?

Dude, I don't see what the big deal is. Jesusians is much more awkward to say than Christians.

Jesus went by many names. Using one of them to define His followers is not going to be the end of the religion, or whatever it is you're rambling about.


Geez, people and their desire to nitpick on semantics and pointless details...don't miss the forest for the trees.

If I'm not mistaken the term Christian is used in the Bible...since the Bible is my principal book in this wonderous journey called life if it's all the same to all of you I think I'll continue using the term Christian.

fromthe heart said:

If I'm not mistaken the term Christian is used in the Bible...

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IacobPersul said:

Haven't you read Acts? "and when he found him,
he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and
Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people.
The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch." - Acts 11:26.

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I must have missed something..

I must have missed something..

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Clearly I'm missing it, too...

May I ask where your sources, references, and credentials are?

tegah your religion says: "believer"......dare I ask of what if you are challenging the name of Christ.

Prima said:

May I ask where your sources, references, and credentials are?

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Were you asking me or t3gah...

Ronald said:

Yeah, right! That Christ means Annointed and we are talking about Greek speaking people coining the word Christian. Those people did not believe there was an "annointed King of Kings!" Go figure?

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What exactly is that supposed to mean? Are you actually doubting the meaning of the Koine Greek word? And who are 'these people' who didn't believe in an 'annointed King of Kings'? The writers of the NT? The Greek speaking Christians in Antioch? The Greek-speaking Jews of the diaspora? Or do you mean the pagan Greeks? Only in the latter case would your sentence be correct, but irrelevant. The pagans did not come up with the word Christos. And if you doubt that, you'll not only have to explain how it is that the Jews outside the Holy Land used the Septuagint (Greek) OT, but why it is that almost every single OT quote in the NT is also from the Septuagint. Just because you were Greek speaking and living in Greece didn't make you pagan any more than being English speaking and living in England makes me Anglican. And in case you think that the word really doesn't mean what I said. I, as an Orthodox Christian, have been annointed myself. Do you know what annointing oil is in Koine (which is still used as the Liturgical language in Greek churches)? Chrism. I rest my case.

James

Christ is the falsehood. Christian is the other. Those that originally translated the scrolls did so with the intent on making something new as in an order and they wanted a last name for the messiah.

Just listen to any church.

Jesus Christ. As if Christ is the last name. It should be Messiah Jesus and I bet a long time ago that word they replaced with Christian is supposed to be something else entirely. There is already a term used, disciple. Why on earth would the disciples write the scriptures to make another distinction when they already had one? Because false teachers and false prophets translated the scrolls. The same ones that made up the old Roman Catholic order. The same ones that disregarded what Jesus commanded as to preaching from tent-to-tent or door-to-door and not to ask for money. Note how the real disciples from the scriptures sold their houses. How many people who are 'teachers' from churches sold their houses? And the list goes on. People base their knowledge on the source that comes from stuff stored in the one place it should be the most suspect and that's the vatican.

Note how everyone in the bible preached and went all around. They didn't stay in vatican city going out once in the while. They didn't have a master that people believed was next to God because of their stature, etc.

In short they refused to use Messiah because making a new word like Jehovah for Yahweh is easy as making Christ from Kristos.

What does Kristos mean without using the word Christ? Because quite frankly, w/o a real English word such as Christ, it's not a real translation. It's called fabrication.

The same ones that disregarded what Jesus commanded as to preaching from tent-to-tent or door-to-door and not to ask for money. Note how the real disciples from the scriptures sold their houses. How many people who are 'teachers' from churches sold their houses? And the list goes on.

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have you sold your house?

Deciple is just a general word for a follower of someone or an idea...
At lest the word Christian lets people know who you are deciple of.
And the change from Kristos to Christ isn't as bad as the change Jesus from the greek Yeysu from the Hebrew Yeshua

And I still have yet to hear any evidence of those 'originally translated scrolls'. Otherwise this could sound like a 'fabrication' itself or at the very least Christian bashing.

wa:do

it's not a real translation. It's called fabrication.

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Actually I believie it is called transliteration, transferring a word from one language to another. Much like the name Jesus, which can be traced back to Jesu in latin, Iesou(s?) I believe in greek, and Yeshua(or Yehoshua I believe) in Hebrew.

t3gah, You believe what you want to believe, and I hope you're happy with it. As for me, I think I'll stick with Christ, as he has been defined in the Bible, and other literature.....

T3gah,

Your point is called in Latin "Stercus"

And a vasty crock of it it is indeed!

Kiwimac

IacobPersul said:

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Are you actually doubting the meaning of the Koine Greek word? And who are 'these people' who didn't believe in an 'annointed King of Kings'? The writers of the NT? The Greek speaking Christians in Antioch? The Greek-speaking Jews of the diaspora? Or do you mean the pagan Greeks? Only in the latter case would your sentence be correct, but irrelevant. The pagans did not come up with the word Christos. And if you doubt that, you'll not only have to explain how it is that the Jews outside the Holy Land used the Septuagint (Greek) OT, but why it is that almost every single OT quote in the NT is also from the Septuagint. Just because you were Greek speaking and living in Greece didn't make you pagan any more than being English speaking and living in England makes me Anglican. And in case you think that the word really doesn't mean what I said. I, as an Orthodox Christian, have been annointed myself. Do you know what annointing oil is in Koine (which is still used as the Liturgical language in Greek churches)? Chrism. I rest my case.

James

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Does Luke the writer say We first called ourselves Christian? NO! I do not question the Greek meaning of the word, but it was those who were foes of the followers of Yeshua Ha Mashiach/Jesus the Annointed that first called them Christians.

Luke called them people of the WAY! A sect of the Jews. Yeshua said "I am the WAY, the truth and the life." NEVER did he call himself CHRIST! NONE of his followers called Him Christ! So defend a slur if you wish, it is your RIGHT! My Savior is a Hebrew Shaliack, Yeshua Ha Mashiach, he was not ever, nor never will be Greek!

Actually, His name/title/whatever should be Christ Jesus, or, Jesus the Christ. 'Christ' is simply a term added to denote His status, if you will. Much the way people were named in the Middle Ages: John son of Steven, or John Stevenson, for example. *shrug*

Ronald said:

NEVER did he call himself CHRIST! NONE of his followers called Him Christ!

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How can you say that? It's just ignorant.

Matthew 16:15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

Then later in verse 20: Then He warned the disciples that they should tell no one that He was the Christ.

Matthew 27:22 - Pilate said to them, "Then what shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?" They all said, "Crucify Him!"

Even Pontius Pilate, a Roman who probably didn't even care about Jesus or who He was, reconginzed the fact that Jesus was called Christ.