GiantHouseKey
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Yeah that's not exactly what I meant. Never say never. If it was to save your family, you'd talk to him.
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grandsecretary
Member
Oink flap, Oink flap.
If that ever happened we would all be safely locked away in a padded cell.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
I'm not the one making lofty claims about belonging to a group who created all the world's major religions
that has existed for thousands of years
is from england
is not esoteric in the slightest
You have refused to answer anyone's questions
You post smoke and mirrors and your own website
Using your own website as proof of the claims you are making
is as absurd as proving the bible with the bible....
some people!:sarcastic
grandsecretary
Member
Here is another one for you JB. Hopefully the words will hit home with some people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=debgoWX1tLU
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=debgoWX1tLU
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darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Grandsecretary sir, according to the Grandmaster of Queensland Freemasonry (friend of a family friend) who i got a mason to email with a link to your website, your cult is not freemasonry at all but a splinter organisation. I became curious when you said "a religious movement" and had him emailed, and he has never heard of you guys before.
Strange is it not?
Strange is it not?
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
RESOLUTION
Active Member
Are you saying that the grand lodge members of the World do not meet and acknowledge one another when attending meeting of world organisations?
Peers over the edge of glasses and looks down nose whilst awaiting a reply...
DeamonPainter
Member
Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum (was recommanded by Darkendless to check this out).
Now I need to say something.
I am not here in any way shape or form to discredit grandsecretary as he states in his original post that he does not speak for any other masonic group.
However, I am a Freemason myself and I belong to a Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons here in Australia. When I came across this thread I became confused, as there is only one Grand Lodge of England yet this other group, the Grand Lodge of All England claimed supremacy. I investigated this matter and I contacted my own Grand Lodge. They stated that they had never heard of this group and had no idea who they were (and that they had no relation to the Grand Lodge of England).
As this was an unsatisfactory answer, I conducted more research and had a few of my brothers assist. They gave me quite a few details including a link which I gave to darkendless (as I am new I cannot post the link)
Now, this seemed to clear everything up for me and I hope that those who come across this forum/thread arn't given a negative opinion of Freemasonry.
Let me state that Freemasonry is NOT a religion. It accepts Free man of all religions, faiths and creeds but does not practice a single standard religion.
I now also state that The Grand Lodge of all England is NOT an official Masonic Order and has no claim nor supremacy over any other group other then itself.
They have never been officiated nor have they been accepted by any other Grand Lodge in the World apart from those other Rogue orders who may/may not have accepted this group.
That being said, the Grand Lodge of All England does not pose a threat to any Regualr and Officiated Masonic Body and that the only reason I have finally decided to post is so that outsiders do not gain a negative opinion of Freemasonry from one individual.
I do not agree with Grandsecretary's opinion and I do not agree with the way he refers to other Masonic Groups.
Final Note.
I will not prove that I am a Freemason (if it comes up) as I have nothing to prove nor hide. I have not commented negatively on the Grand Lodge of All England nor of Grand Secretary, I have just provided basic truth and facts. I am sure that Grandsecretary in real life is a lovely man (I hope) along with his rogue group.
If you would like to comment back grandsecretary I am more then happy to answer any questions you have in relation to what I have said.
(Something I really want to know though, is why do you call it 'masonrie'?)
Now I need to say something.
I am not here in any way shape or form to discredit grandsecretary as he states in his original post that he does not speak for any other masonic group.
However, I am a Freemason myself and I belong to a Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons here in Australia. When I came across this thread I became confused, as there is only one Grand Lodge of England yet this other group, the Grand Lodge of All England claimed supremacy. I investigated this matter and I contacted my own Grand Lodge. They stated that they had never heard of this group and had no idea who they were (and that they had no relation to the Grand Lodge of England).
As this was an unsatisfactory answer, I conducted more research and had a few of my brothers assist. They gave me quite a few details including a link which I gave to darkendless (as I am new I cannot post the link)
Now, this seemed to clear everything up for me and I hope that those who come across this forum/thread arn't given a negative opinion of Freemasonry.
Let me state that Freemasonry is NOT a religion. It accepts Free man of all religions, faiths and creeds but does not practice a single standard religion.
I now also state that The Grand Lodge of all England is NOT an official Masonic Order and has no claim nor supremacy over any other group other then itself.
They have never been officiated nor have they been accepted by any other Grand Lodge in the World apart from those other Rogue orders who may/may not have accepted this group.
That being said, the Grand Lodge of All England does not pose a threat to any Regualr and Officiated Masonic Body and that the only reason I have finally decided to post is so that outsiders do not gain a negative opinion of Freemasonry from one individual.
I do not agree with Grandsecretary's opinion and I do not agree with the way he refers to other Masonic Groups.
Final Note.
I will not prove that I am a Freemason (if it comes up) as I have nothing to prove nor hide. I have not commented negatively on the Grand Lodge of All England nor of Grand Secretary, I have just provided basic truth and facts. I am sure that Grandsecretary in real life is a lovely man (I hope) along with his rogue group.
If you would like to comment back grandsecretary I am more then happy to answer any questions you have in relation to what I have said.
(Something I really want to know though, is why do you call it 'masonrie'?)
grandsecretary
Member
Welcome to Religious Forums.
Free Masonrie is governed by the Ancient Landmarks of the Order and "The Constitutions of Masonrie" popularly known as The Gothic Constitutions. When you read them, you will see the use of the proper spelling of the Anglo-Saxon word "Masonrie".
The Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons in Australia is a Moderns Grand Lodge under the jurisdiction of the Moderns United Grand Lodge of England, therefore:-
The Grand Lodge of All England has never claimed "supremacy" over The United Grand Lodge of England, it denies the Masonic legitimacy falsely claimed by The United Grand Lodge of England. It was, and remains an unchartered, unauthorised, Quasi-Masonic organisation emanating from a profane meeting alleged to have taken place in the tiny back room of a London Ale-house on the 24th June 1717.
I do not speak for you or your Moderns form of freemasonry, or associate ourselves with it. Why do you presume to speak for York and assume to associate yourself with us? You admitted that you had never heard about us until a few hours ago! Now, suddenly, you are the expert and the spokesman.
Please see: The Grand Lodge of All England - Welcome Page for the many hundreds of independent: historical, governmental, educational, literary and Masonic references.
For historical reasons; (our Free Masons founded Free Masonrie in France [La Grande Loge, 1720], The Grand Lodge of All England is in Amity with La Grande Loge de France (GLdF) comprising over 700 Lodges and 26,300 members; The United Grand Lodges of India comprising 4 subordinate Grand Lodges: The Grand Lodge of Upper India based in Chandigarh with 23 Lodges; The Grand Lodge of South India based in Coimbatore with 14 Lodges; The Grand Lodge of Western India based in Mumbai with 3 Lodges; and The Grand Lodge of Eastern India based in Lucknow with 5 Lodges.
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Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
grandsecretary
Member
The link it was very interesting,i wonder what the Grandsecretary will say
[FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Disclaimer on this unofficial website known as masonicinfo:
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Any foolish individual can own a website, and this sadly deranged individual proves it beyond all reasonable doubt. He has withdrawn a number of allegations against ourselves and others under threat of legal action, and another of his websites was closed down after he lost one court action. He is extremely foolhardy.
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DeamonPainter
Member
OK, first of all I never said I was an expert, nor did I say I speak for your group (or any group really). All I wished to make clear is that technically you are a rogue group and have never been officiated or recognised by any masonic body.
You stated "The Grand Lodge of All England has never claimed "supremacy" over The United Grand Lodge of England, it denies the Masonic legitimacy falsely claimed by The United Grand Lodge of England. It was, and remains an unchartered, unauthorised, Quasi-Masonic organisation emanating from a profane meeting alleged to have taken place in the tiny back room of a London Ale-house on the 24th June 1717."
To me that seems to claim supremacy as you are saying that they are the rogue group and you are not. You have only exisited since 2005 and try to claim this still?
Just because yourself and a few other men decided that either you didn't agree with the United Grand Lodge of England, weren't allowed to become a Freemason or wished to seize power does not make your claim true.
One of the principles of Freemasonry is brotherly love and you have not showed this with your words nor do you practice it. I do not have a problem with you nor your United Grand Lodge of All England wishing to be your own group but you seem to claim some very outrageous things about Freemasonry in general. You have only exisited since 2005 and yet you still claim all these things.
(As for that website where the man claims that it is his own personal opinion, he is just stating that he does not represent any Masonic Group, just as I have stated.)
You stated "The Grand Lodge of All England has never claimed "supremacy" over The United Grand Lodge of England, it denies the Masonic legitimacy falsely claimed by The United Grand Lodge of England. It was, and remains an unchartered, unauthorised, Quasi-Masonic organisation emanating from a profane meeting alleged to have taken place in the tiny back room of a London Ale-house on the 24th June 1717."
To me that seems to claim supremacy as you are saying that they are the rogue group and you are not. You have only exisited since 2005 and try to claim this still?
Just because yourself and a few other men decided that either you didn't agree with the United Grand Lodge of England, weren't allowed to become a Freemason or wished to seize power does not make your claim true.
One of the principles of Freemasonry is brotherly love and you have not showed this with your words nor do you practice it. I do not have a problem with you nor your United Grand Lodge of All England wishing to be your own group but you seem to claim some very outrageous things about Freemasonry in general. You have only exisited since 2005 and yet you still claim all these things.
(As for that website where the man claims that it is his own personal opinion, he is just stating that he does not represent any Masonic Group, just as I have stated.)
grandsecretary
Member
No, we do NOT claim supremacy, we charge you with total dishonesty, falsehood, shameful dishonour and then dismiss you. A gang of lowlife fakes, thieves, footpads and pickpockets, par excellence. The biggest confidence trick ever perpetrated upon the free world.
Now, you have not dealt with our accusations. The issue is your illegal, unchartered, unwarranted, profane meeting at the Goose and Gridiron in 1717. Your sole claim to legitimacy. Perhaps it slipped your memory? No rush. Take your time.
Despite overwhelming evidence proving it to be a total fallacy, it is still claimed, and often repeated by Moderns freemasons that organised Free Masonry began in 1717 after a meeting in the tiny back room of a London Ale-house under the chairmanship of "a nameless person". Remarkably, this spurious claim for Masonic regularity and recognition is solely based upon alleged proceedings of an unauthorised, profane meeting.
Now. These are ALL credible sources, totally independent of The Grand Lodge at York.
QUESTIONS THAT MUST BE ANSWERED IF YOU ARE TO HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY HERE, ON A NON-MASONIC FORUM:
1) Name the regular Free Masons who attended the alleged meeting.
2) Who chaired the alleged meeting?
3) Name the alleged "four old lodges" and the alleged names of their alleged Masters and alleged Wardens, without whom it would have been TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE to authorise such a meeting.
4) Please publish the alleged minutes of this alleged meeting.
I will leave these questions with you. if you do not respond, all here will realise that you are simply a UGLE propogandist worthy of, on a par with, and with the similar morals as Herr Goebbels.
Please answer the questions first, and then feel free to continue your sticky sweet character assassination from the safe haven of your dishonest, cowardly, craven anonymity.
You stand accused. Answer the questions or be found guilty as charged.
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DeamonPainter
Member
LOL!
Nasty arn't we?
I have nothing to prove as I did not come on here to prove anything. I only came on here to make it clear to those reading that your group was not official.
We both know the truth, and I think this banter backwards and forwards is just going to continue no matter who says what. When I stated that you need evidence to make claims you have just turned around and listed information from your website and tried to turn the questions back onto me. I am not an official spokeperson for any group so I really don't need to prove anything as this discussion isn't about the legitimacy of anyone's lodge apart from your own.
I don't exactly know what your group is trying to achieve but good luck to you.
Good luck to you and all your endevours!
Nasty arn't we?
I have nothing to prove as I did not come on here to prove anything. I only came on here to make it clear to those reading that your group was not official.
We both know the truth, and I think this banter backwards and forwards is just going to continue no matter who says what. When I stated that you need evidence to make claims you have just turned around and listed information from your website and tried to turn the questions back onto me. I am not an official spokeperson for any group so I really don't need to prove anything as this discussion isn't about the legitimacy of anyone's lodge apart from your own.
I don't exactly know what your group is trying to achieve but good luck to you.
Good luck to you and all your endevours!
grandsecretary
Member
This is our aim. It was minuted as the aim in the Crypt of York Minster at the revival of The Grand Lodge of All England on the 23rd December 2005.
"In accordance with The Constitutions of Masonrie, to reclaim Anglo-Saxon Free Masonrie to its rightful owners, the true Free Masons of England."
You seem to have forgotten once again to answer the simplest of questions which will clear up the doubts that I have raised in respect of the Masonic legitimacy of your parent, The United Grand Lodge of England. This false and deceitful claim to legitimacy, and also the further spurious and ludicrous claim to be the sole arbiter of Masonic regularity is based entirely on a meeting that allegedly took place in the tiny back room of the Goose and Gridiron Ale-house on the 24th June 1717.
Continuing failure to prove that this alleged meeting took place, and proof of its Masonic legitimacy, is a concomitant failure to establish the Masonic legitimacy of The United Grand Lodge of England and its satellite Grand Lodges, including your claimed Grand Lodge, The Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons of Australia.
I am happy to give you a final opportunity:
QUESTIONS THAT MUST BE ANSWERED IF YOU ARE TO HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY HERE, ON A NON-MASONIC FORUM:
1) Name the regular Free Masons who attended the alleged meeting at the Goose and Gridiron Ale-house on the 24th June 1717.
2) Who chaired the alleged meeting at the Goose and Gridiron Ale-house on the 24th June 1717?
3) Name the alleged "four old lodges" and the alleged names of their alleged Masters and alleged Wardens, without whom it would have been TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE to authorise such a meeting at the Goose and Gridiron Ale-house on the 24th June 1717.
4) Please publish the alleged minutes of this alleged meeting at the Goose and Gridiron Ale-house on the 24th June 1717.
You stand accused. Answer the questions or be found guilty as charged.
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grandsecretary
Member
Every time that we, The Grand Lodge of All England appears on a forum, whether Masonic or otherwise, the False-Masons belonging to The United Grand Lodge of England pop up and deny English history, and English heritage.
The way that they conduct themselves always reminds me of this song from the musical Barnum:
The way that they conduct themselves always reminds me of this song from the musical Barnum:
Well, from now on, the free ride is over. No more suckers.
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