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Is God Insane?

Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Perhaps a negative approach would be interesting?
The void was perfect.
The big bang introduces Chaos.
Photos of the universe do look like a fireworks display gone insane.
 
Quagmire

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Thief said:
Perhaps a negative approach would be interesting?
The void was perfect.
The big bang introduces Chaos.
Photos of the universe do look like a fireworks display gone insane.
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Only from a limited perspective; if you step back far enough the lights coalece into a huge neon sign saying "Universe under construction. expect some delays"
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Having the mental faculties in such condition as to be able to anticipate and judge of the effect of one's actions.....Webster's.

Would anyone argue that God did "plan" the result of the big bang?
When the void was broken...'by the light'....did God really get what He wanted?

There is a parallel thread going on about God and logic.
That discussion seems to revolve about itself.
According to Webster's logic is a science. It is "something that convinces or proves or that obviates argument or makes argument useless...."

If we can offer that God did obtain the results He planned for, then perhaps we can agree that God is sane?
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Thief said:
If we can offer that God did obtain the results He planned for, then perhaps we can agree that God is sane?
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Your definition for sanity is too narrow. Just because I wrongly predict the outcome of my actions does not mean I am insane; it simply means that I am not omniscient. Or that the probability of something occuring is exactly that: a probability and not a certainty.

However, under your narrow definition, if God is omniscient I fail to see how he couldn't get the results he expected.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Now that you have stripped God of His ability of expectation, shall we proceed and strip His desire to create?

The creative process need not be logical...need not make sense...
but it does seem to fulfill a need.
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Thief said:
Now that you have stripped God of His ability of expectation, shall we proceed and strip His desire to create?

The creative process need not be logical...need not make sense...
but it does seem to fulfill a need.
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The man who has seen the truth thinks, "I am not the doer" at all times --when he sees, hears, touches, when he smiles, eats, walks, sleeps, breathes, when he defecates, talks, or takes hold, when he opens his eyes or shuts them: at all times he thinks, "This is merely sense-objects acting on the senses."

Offering his actions to God, he is free of all action: sin rolls off him, as drops of water roll off a lotus leaf. Surrendering attachment, the sage performs all actions --with his body, his mind, and his understanding --only to make himself pure.

The resolute in yoga surrender results, and gain perfect peace; the irresolute, attached to results, are bound by everything they do.

Calmly renouncing all actions, the embodied Self (soul) dwells at ease as the lord of the nine-gated city, not acting, not causing action. It does not create the means of action, or the action itself, or the union of results and action: all these arise from Nature.

Nor does it partake of anyone's virtuous or evil actions. When knowledge of the Self is obscured by ignorance, men act badly. But when ignorance is completely destroyed, then the light of wisdom shines like the midday sun and illumines what is supreme.

Contemplating That, inspired and rooted and absored in That, men reach the state of true freedom from which there is no rebirth (eternal life).
~Krishna
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God is not separate from us, nor we from God, that we could "strip him" of anything that is not us.
It's the question/issue itself that makes no sense.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
The definition I used for sane, came from Webster's and was presented as such.
I am not the one who claims God could not expect intended results.

As per Webster's...if God CAN expect His handiwork to yield predictable results, then the definition fits.

But how do you 'plan' a universe?
Especially working from material without form (void)?

Without a plan the big bang could be thought of as an accident.
 
Jeremiah

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
Sunstone said:
That's too simplistic, isn't it?
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It is not that simple at all if you give it some thought. The mind is not just capable of subjecting you, it owns you. And I know of no a greater lost of control then when your beliefs, your feelings, and your thoughts are no longer yours. That's the thing most don't get, that it is not you. You are lost and your brain is a function of chaos. I think that the madness could be so great, that it could consume the human soul and what is left would be nothing but an empty husk.

People just romanticize it and that is why they constantly overlook the fact that it is a illness, a mental illness.
 
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Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
And do you dare to apply that description to God?
Could there be consequence for doing so?

So much harm has been dealt while waving God's standard.
Some people actually believe...He wants them to....(whatever)

What if it's true?

After all, he could have dealt reality with no need to eat, sleep, drink, or procreate.

Or maybe He did and that life is what we call 'angelic'.

Oh...but...then there are biblical references that indicate the angels CAN procreate. And that practice has been set aside....maybe.

Maybe Man was created as a plaything to amuse greater beings.
Maybe God likes to play rough.
 
DarkSun

DarkSun

:eltiT
Thief said:
And do you dare to apply that description to God?
Could there be consequence for doing so?

So much harm has been dealt while waving God's standard.
Some people actually believe...He wants them to....(whatever)

What if it's true?

After all, he could have dealt reality with no need to eat, sleep, drink, or procreate.

Or maybe He did and that life is what we call 'angelic'.

Oh...but...then there are biblical references that indicate the angels CAN procreate. And that practice has been set aside....maybe.

Maybe Man was created as a plaything to amuse greater beings.
Maybe God likes to play rough.
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Insanity: the act of forming random conjecture.
 
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