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Prove There is God

Tawn

Active Member
stemann said:
This assumes that life can survive on methane. Maybe life can only survive in certain conditions and is very, very rare. This does not mean it has great value though. If we were the only life in the universe it isn't great evidence for God, just that life is one of those things that only exists in very rare conditions.
What if there was a certain element only avaible in one tiny section of the universe? Does this prove that God created the universe just for that element? Religion puts conscious sentient life above all else. I don't, perhaps because I am a scientist in the first place.
Yes of course, but what do do know is that life is robust and adaptable. Earth itself contains a huge variety of different environments... and there is significant evidence to show that the earth atmosphere has actually changed because of life... in fact life exists in the most unlikely of places.. this shows at the very least that you could alter earths environmental conditions by a fairly large margin and still some life would thrive.
It could be that the only difference between earth and a trillion other places life could have occured is that abiogenesis happened here. That could be what makes earth special.. or.. we might just find microbacteria on Mars.. or elsewhere.
 
All too often religious people are blind. But so can athiests that blindly dont believe. Its a matter of personal examination, reasoning, and honesty. There is just as much proof against God's existance as there is for. Although, i find the for more logical and reasoned than the against. Basically, people cling to what they believe or dont believe because they are afraid of being wrong. Although, what about Wrong is there to be afraid of?
 

stemann

Time Bandit
Incidentally, there are approximately 4.562 x 10 to the power of 47,993 nooks in the known universe. And just under 30 crannies... (Mostly in Ohio.)
Fred Hoyle used hyperbolic stats like this to show that it was practically impossible that life could have arisen without God. Do we believe him?

Yes of course, but what do do know is that life is robust and adaptable.
Life on earth is, but what do we know about extra-terrestrial life, of any form? Not a lot, as there isn't evidence for it, just places where it could exist (solar-like systems etc).

and there is significant evidence to show that the earth atmosphere has actually changed because of life
There's a big hole in the ozone layer because of us if that's what you mean....... Even not including man, the atmosphere changes because of its reactions with both organic and inorganic compositions in the earths crust. I think we should redefine 'life' as not this great, wonderful, amazing thing, but just as a complex thing. Emotive words really confuse the argument, as people put more value on 'wonderful' than 'truthful'.

in fact life exists in the most unlikely of places
Only previously thought of as unlikely because life wasn't known to be there.

this shows at the very least that you could alter earths environmental conditions by a fairly large margin and still some life would thrive.
I agree; this is one of the main arguments against the anthropic principle.

It could be that the only difference between earth and a trillion other places life could have occured is that abiogenesis happened here. That could be what makes earth special.. or.. we might just find microbacteria on Mars.. or elsewhere.
You still put a higher price on life because of the fact that it is life. Like the thing i said before about the rare element, life is only deemed 'special' because of its complexity, which i believe is a logical conclusion after abiogenesis.
So I suppose the abiogenesis, as you say, is the important part. Some people have created life from non-living compounds using the right chemicals and an electric shock, i think.

There is just as much proof against God's existance as there is for.
Do you mean 'evidence'? And the differences in the strengths and weaknesses of this evidence is biased in favour of the scientific view i think, if you start impartially.

Although, i find the for more logical and reasoned than the against.
Why?
 

Faust

Active Member
Incidentally, there are approximately 4.562 x 10 to the power of 47,993 nooks in the known universe. And just under 30 crannies... (Mostly in Ohio.)
Just where are those crannies? I think I'm allergic and don't want to break out again!:eek:
Faust.
 

Faust

Active Member
stemann said:
Some people have created life from non-living compounds using the right chemicals and an electric shock, i think.
As far as I know amino acids (the basic building blocks of life ) have been produced in the laboratory, not life itself.
Faust.
 

blueman

God's Warrior
I think if you are really honest and objective regarding this issue, there is plenty of tangible proof throughout this universe that God exist. We experience His great architecture everytime we step out of the door and see the splendor of His creation. God does not need to tap me on the shoulder for me to believe He exists. God requires a measure of faith for people to believe in His existence, in His Power and His desire to have a real and personal relationship with each and everyone of us. :jiggy:
 
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