Pussyfoot Mouse
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Is there really such a thing as Heaven? Adn do you really NEED to be baptised to get in? Can't you just have faith enough for God? I'm really not sure what the meaning of the holy water is.:help:
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I believe so, but I don't believe it is a physical place "in the clouds" or something, but God's majesty and his presence in the hearts of the just. Heaven, the Father's house, is the true homeland toward which we are heading and to which, already, we belong.Pussyfoot Mouse said:Is there really such a thing as Heaven?
Short answer: nope.And do you really NEED to be baptised to get in?
Holy Water is water that is sanctified either by a liturgical blessing(by a Bishop or Priest), or by the individual blessing of some holy person. It is used for for expiatory and purificatory purposes.I'm really not sure what the meaning of the holy water is.:help:
Not that I disagree with the Stone and you, but heaven could be a place (as well as hell). This very world, here and now, could be heaven (or hell) depending on how one chose to view it. And we could make this world, here and now, more heaven-like for others if we choose to. And we could make it more hell-like for others if we choose to.Renaldo said:I agree with the Stone on this matter. I assume you are asking on our opinions on the matter.
There is no physical place such as Heaven (or Hell), it is merely a state of mind. All humans have their own interpretation of Heaven.
Furthermore heaven is spoken of as the dwelling of God; so those that believe in Him will be with God in His place of dwelling whence they die.
My opinion? No, no, no, and what SOGFPP said.Pussyfoot Mouse said:Is there really such a thing as Heaven? Adn do you really NEED to be baptised to get in? Can't you just have faith enough for God? I'm really not sure what the meaning of the holy water is.:help:
You are correct lillith. This world itself could be heaven, not so much as a place, but as an experience. God Himself created us to experience life, and, depending how we experience it, make it our own personal heavenlilithu said:This very world, here and now, could be heaven (or hell) depending on how one chose to view it.
If you believe that God is just, then you should believe in the existence of Heaven and Hell. Just means you get everyting for what you do. You have to able to accept the consequences. If person A does something bad to person B and person A dies before person A could get his/her punishment, then where else should person A get punished if not in the life-after-death-time in hell. This case also applies when person A gets an unconscionable punishment. Same reasons for the existence of heaven.Pussyfoot Mouse said:Is there really such a thing as Heaven?
There is a saying, and I know that it's a Muslim saying, tho I don't know how orthodox it is. It goes like this: God never laughs so loud as when He sees the expression on a man's face the first time he meets his murderer in heaven.Firdaus Mardhatillah said:If you believe that God is just, then you should believe in the existence of Heaven and Hell. Just means you get everyting for what you do. You have to able to accept the consequences. If person A does something bad to person B and person A dies before person A could get his/her punishment, then where else should person A get punished if not in the life-after-death-time in hell. This case also applies when person A gets an unconscionable punishment. Same reasons for the existence of heaven.
lilithu said:There is a saying, and I know that it's a Muslim saying, tho I don't know how orthodox it is. It goes like this: God never laughs so loud as when He sees the expression on a man's face the first time he meets his murderer in heaven.
That is true.lilithu said:There is always room for forgiveness, no matter how great the injustice done. Individual humans may not be able to find it in them to forgive a great hurt, but I believe that God can forgive anything.
Sorry, but that's not a Muslim saying.lilithu said:There is a saying, and I know that it's a Muslim saying, tho I don't know how orthodox it is. It goes like this: God never laughs so loud as when He sees the expression on a man's face the first time he meets his murderer in heaven.
but I believe that God can forgive anything
Yes God is Merciful and forgiving, He could forgive anything but associating anyone or anthing with Him.
Peace
As I said, I don't know how orthodox it is. But it was taught to me by a well respected Islamic religious studies professor and he identified it as a Muslim saying. I suspect that both he and the saying are Sufi. If you want to say that Sufis are not really Muslim, that's an argument that I am neither qualified nor interested in getting into.Peace said:Sorry, but that's not a Muslim saying.
Pussyfoot Mouse said:Is there really such a thing as Heaven?
Pussyfoot Mouse said:Adn do you really NEED to be baptised to get in?
Pussyfoot Mouse said:Can't you just have faith enough for God?
Pussyfoot Mouse said:I'm really not sure what the meaning of the holy water is.:help:
chuck010342 said:how can water be holy?
Renaldo said:"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire" (Matthew 3:11).
I wonder what I was baptised with then...
Hi, Mouse!Pussyfoot Mouse said:Is there really such a thing as Heaven? Adn do you really NEED to be baptised to get in? Can't you just have faith enough for God? I'm really not sure what the meaning of the holy water is.:help: