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Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Prophesised.

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
Muhammad (pbuh) In The Old Testment
The Quran mentions in 7:157
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

1.
MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:
Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy 18:18
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
v.19
"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
2. In Isaiah

29:12
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "Ma ana biqar'in" meaning in Arabic "I am not learned".

3.prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem."

In semitic languages "im" (some languages add "hum" as in Arabic) is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

Muhammad (pbuh) In The New Testment
Quran says in 61:6
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.
1.
John 14:16
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."
2.
John 15: 26
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
3.
John 16: 7
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh).
John 16:12-14

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)





 
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England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
The Quran mentions in 7:157
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

1.
MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:
Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy 18:18
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
v.19
"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
2. In Isaiah

29:12
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "Ma ana biqar'in" meaning in Arabic "I am not learned".

3.prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem."

In semitic languages "im" (some languages add "hum" as in Arabic) is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.
Muhammad (pbuh) In The New Testment
Quran says in 61:6
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.
1.
John 14:16
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."
2.
John 15: 26
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
3.
John 16: 7
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh).
John 16:12-14

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)






Make the foot fit the shoe no matter what eh,as with all Prophesies people will see what they want to see even if the goalposts need to be moved to do it.
Heres where this becomes apparent in some peoples interpretation of Deutronomy John and the Song of Soloman,lets start with Deutronomy 18 which should be read in context and if we go further back in Deutronomy we can see it more clearly:
15 be sure to appoint over you the king the LORD your God chooses. He must be from among your own brothers. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not a brother Israelite.
So when the mention of bretheren appears in Deutronomy 18 it is talking of Israelites and not what you hoped for.
Now to John,i will cut to the quick on this:
John 14:16-17 (Young's Literal Translation)



16and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age; 17the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.

Pretty straightforward this one,the key words here are "you know him" and "he does remain with you and shall be in you" well unless the Deciples could see into the future and see Muhammed or Muhammed could go back in time to dwell with them it is clearly not talking about Muhammed.

Finally the word Parakletos which some claim should be Pariklytos which doen't appear anywhere else in the Bible but to make the foot fit the shoe translates to Ahmad (praised one) so this is the tenuous link some will use to identify Muhammed in a book that they say is corrupted even when they move the goalposts themselves.
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
As well as the Hebrew word in Song of Solomon 5:16 being "makhmadim" meaning delights which we went through (a lot) in another thread eh England? :)
 

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
lets start with Deutronomy 18 which should be read in context and if we go further back in Deutronomy we can see it more clearly:
15 be sure to appoint over you the king the LORD your God chooses. He must be from among your own brothers. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not a brother Israelite.
So when the mention of bretheren appears in Deutronomy 18 it is talking of Israelites and not what you hoped for.
Israelite isn't mentioned
Deutronomy 18:15
The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
If that is the only criteria (an israelite or jew prophet) for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will
fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.
However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

i)
Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.
[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

ii)
Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.
iii)
Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)
Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).
Words in the mouth:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
[Deuteronomy 18:18]

iv)
Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).
v)
Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."
iv)
Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).
Make the foot fit the shoe no matter what eh....

....Now to John,i will cut to the quick on this:
Now clearly i'm not making the foot fit the shoe,but you deny that the foot fits the shoe, no better than Cinderella's stepmother,as you both fail.
you skipped this ?
2. In Isaiah

29:12
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "Ma ana biqar'in" meaning in Arabic "I am not learned".

3.prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem."

In semitic languages "im" (some languages add "hum" as in Arabic) is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.


John 14:16-17 (Young's Literal Translation)
16and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age; 17the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.

Pretty straightforward this one,the key words here are "you know him" and "he does remain with you and shall be in you" well unless the Deciples could see into the future and see Muhammed or Muhammed could go back in time to dwell with them it is clearly not talking about Muhammed.
They knew him (Pbuh) (Before his coming ) i don't doubt it,in fact many Arabs (hole tribes) converted to Islam (and many people today) because Muhammad (pbuh) fits exactly the one they knew about and knew that he will come that who is mentioned in the bible .
Terms like "will be in you"
and
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. [John 16:13]
indicate that he will come in the future.
Finally the word Parakletos which some claim should be Pariklytos which doen't appear anywhere else in the Bible but to make the foot fit the shoe translates to Ahmad (praised one) so this is the tenuous link some will use to identify Muhammed in a book that they say is corrupted even when they move the goalposts themselves.
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures
As called in the Quran. Let alone the the prophet is mentioned by name in song of solomon 5:16
Some parts of the Injeel and the Torah we believe to be God's the only way to check it is the Quran
Which says in 61:6
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
7:157
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".


You are the who considers the Bible not to be any authentic,yet you come here and try to present you frustrated claims to deny facts,you aren't a jew or a christian this thread is not for you.
I said to much, not to but to the others, i have my principle, Peace !
The Noble Quran 25:63
And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say,"Peace!";
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Israelite isn't mentioned
Deutronomy 18:15
The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
If that is the only criteria (an israelite or jew prophet) for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will
fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.
However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

i)
Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.
[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

ii)
Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.
iii)
Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)
Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).
Words in the mouth:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
[Deuteronomy 18:18]

iv)
Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).
v)
Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."
iv)
Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

Now clearly i'm not making the foot fit the shoe,but you deny that the foot fits the shoe, no better than Cinderella's stepmother,as you both fail.
you skipped this ?




They knew him (Pbuh) (Before his coming ) i don't doubt it,in fact many Arabs (hole tribes) converted to Islam (and many people today) because Muhammad (pbuh) fits exactly the one they knew about and knew that he will come that who is mentioned in the bible .
Terms like "will be in you"
and
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. [John 16:13]
indicate that he will come in the future.

Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures
As called in the Quran. Let alone the the prophet is mentioned by name in song of solomon 5:16
Some parts of the Injeel and the Torah we believe to be God's the only way to check it is the Quran
Which says in 61:6
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
7:157
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".


You are the who considers the Bible not to be any authentic,yet you come here and try to present you frustrated claims to deny facts,you aren't a jew or a christian this thread is not for you.
I said to much, not to but to the others, i have my principle, Peace !
The Noble Quran 25:63
And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say,"Peace!";

As i said,you will try to jam a size nine foot into size 7 shoe no matter what,personally it matters little to me as i am not religious but i do find it amusing the lengths some will go to make that shoe fit and my personal favourite is the song of Soloman.
 

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
As well as the Hebrew word in Song of Solomon 5:16 being "makhmadim" meaning delights which we went through (a lot) in another thread eh England? :)
But in Hebrew "im" is added to show respect. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely" you said it's delights, but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present,It's a name.
We use "H" and "KH" in Muhammad in english for "Heth".
Heth in Hebrew is Khet "ח"
in Arabic its ḥāʾ "ح" and ḫā " خ"
Heth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ḥet or H̱et (also spelled Khet, Kheth, Chet, Cheth, Het, or Heth) is the reconstructed name of the eighth letter of the Proto-Canaanite alphabet, continued in descended Semitic alphabets as Phoenician ḥēth , Syriac ḥēth ܚ, Hebrew chet (also khet) ח, Arabic ḥāʾ ح (in abjadi order), and Berber .
Heth originally represented a voiceless fricative, either pharyngeal /ħ/, or velar /x/ (the two Proto-Semitic phonemes having merged in Canaanite). In Arabic, two corresponding letters were created for both phonemic sounds: unmodified ḥāʾ ح represents /ħ/, while ḫāʾ ﺥ represents /x/.
In modern Israeli Hebrew, the historical phonemes of the letters Ḥet ח (/ħ/) and Khaf כ (/x/) merged, both becoming the voiceless uvular fricative ([χ]).
with out im its Makhmad מוחמד in Hebrew
It's a name, and the same one name with out im it's
(Arabic:محمد) (Hebrew:מוחמד) correct English spelling (in the international phonetic Alphabet) is [mʊħɑmmæd̪
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
But in Hebrew "im" is added to show respect.

I'll have to ask my cousin or Caladan about that. My Hebrew isn't good in things like that.

In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely" you said it's delights, but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present,It's a name.
However, it's not translated as "altogether lovely" - the "kollo" makes it "altogether", because kollo means "completely, in full, altogether" etc (modern Hebrew is kol)

It's a name, and the same one name with out im it's
(Arabic:محمد) (Hebrew:מוחמד) correct English spelling (in the international phonetic Alphabet) is [mʊħɑmmæd̪
It shares the same root, yes. :) However, this is not used as a noun in this verse, it's used as an adjective (with plural "im" - which is why I chose to translate makhmad as delight, for example)

However, even if it was the actual name for Muhammad (and not just coincidence), one should wonder - why? Song of Solomon is a whole book on literature with an erotic theme.

Song of Solomon 5:

3 I have taken off my robe—
must I put it on again?
I have washed my feet—
must I soil them again?

7 The watchmen found me
as they made their rounds in the city.
They beat me, they bruised me;
they took away my cloak,
those watchmen of the walls!


Is this really the kind of place where one should look for claims of Muhammad's prophesied existence in? Inside of ancient Jewish erotic literature? :facepalm:
 

blueman

God's Warrior
Muhammad (pbuh) In The Old Testment
The Quran mentions in 7:157
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

1.
MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:
Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy 18:18
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
v.19
"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
2. In Isaiah

29:12
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "Ma ana biqar'in" meaning in Arabic "I am not learned".

3.prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem."

In semitic languages "im" (some languages add "hum" as in Arabic) is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

Muhammad (pbuh) In The New Testment
Quran says in 61:6
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.
1.
John 14:16
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."
2.
John 15: 26
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
3.
John 16: 7
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh).
John 16:12-14

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)





Why do you attribute Old and New Testament prophecy to Muhammad? The reality of the matter is that Muhammad prophesied about little if anything. It's false teaching your promulgating on this thread.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Why do you attribute Old and New Testament prophecy to Muhammad? The reality of the matter is that Muhammad prophesied about little if anything. It's false teaching your promulgating on this thread.
I would be curious if there has ever been any recognized non-Muslim scholar who agrees with the Muslim distortions on these matters.
 

kai

ragamuffin
tell me Zhakir why do you quote corrupted scripture ? the injil was lost why are you quoting the new testement?
 

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
I would be curious if there has ever been any recognized non-Muslim scholar who agrees with the Muslim distortions on these matters.
All the Arab and non-Arab christians and the jews who converted to Islam in the time of Muhammad (pbuh) and after him be they scholars or not.
Abd ul-Aḥad Dāwūd is a good example
David Benjamin Keldani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
'Periqlytos'' Means ''Ahmad''


tell me Zhakir why do you quote corrupted scripture ? the injil was lost why are you quoting the new testement?
Did you read my post kai? i said:
Some parts of the Injeel and the Torah we believe to be God's, the only way to check it is the Quran in other word if it matches we believe in it ,if it doesn't we don't.
Quran says in 61:6
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
7:157
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".
 

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
Me too.
Wouldn't they then become Muslims if they did? :D
Yes, isn't that clear ? :facepalm:.Look at all the ex-christian Muslim nations like ex-christian Arabia (prats of Ash-sham and Iraq and Hijaz) ,east and north african nations that converted from christianity to Islam,Egypt,Nothern Sudan or Nubia,Turkey,Albania and other asian and east europian and african ex-christian Muslim nations.
One important way of Daw'a is to show what the two parts agree with.
Quran 61:6
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
Yet some people/nations rejected these sign at the time of the prophet (pbuh) and throughtout histroy.

No good reason according to Allah (swt)
3:70
Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah, of which ye are (Yourselves) witnesses?
the reason is: through envy of eachother
3:19
The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of eachother, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah,Allah is swift in calling to account.
 

kai

ragamuffin
All the Arab and non-Arab christians and the jews who converted to Islam in the time of Muhammad (pbuh) and after him be they scholars or not.
Abd ul-Aḥad Dāwūd is a good example
David Benjamin Keldani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
'Periqlytos'' Means ''Ahmad''



Did you read my post kai? i said:
Some parts of the Injeel and the Torah we believe to be God's, the only way to check it is the Quran in other word if it matches we believe in it ,if it doesn't we don't.
Quran says in 61:6
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
7:157
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

Oh Ok i get it.have we been over this before? i am out of here.
 
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OmarKhayyam

Well-Known Member
I continue to be amazed and sadden that seemly intelligent people spend valuable time and good resources is trying to make sense of the irrational scribblings of ancient ignorant shepherds whose total knowledge is less than a grammar school education. One might as well seek profundity in a 3rd grader's essay on "Our Summer Vacation."

What a waste of brain cells.:rolleyes::sad4:
 

blueman

God's Warrior
I continue to be amazed and sadden that seemly intelligent people spend valuable time and good resources is trying to make sense of the irrational scribblings of ancient ignorant shepherds whose total knowledge is less than a grammar school education. One might as well seek profundity in a 3rd grader's essay on "Our Summer Vacation."

What a waste of brain cells.:rolleyes::sad4:
Another anecdotal statement with very little basis. There are many scholars and historians who would totally disagree with you.
 

Angelfire

Member
Muhammad (pbuh) In The Old Testment
The Quran mentions in 7:157
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

1.
MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:
Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy 18:18
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
v.19
"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
2. In Isaiah

29:12
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "Ma ana biqar'in" meaning in Arabic "I am not learned".

3.prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem."

In semitic languages "im" (some languages add "hum" as in Arabic) is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

Muhammad (pbuh) In The New Testment
Quran says in 61:6
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.
1.
John 14:16
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."
2.
John 15: 26
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
3.
John 16: 7
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh).
John 16:12-14

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)







This is the second time this week I have seen this posted. It is just as ludicrous the second time as the first.

Mohammad was not a prophet, he was a profiteer.

Mohammad has two legs, a chicken has two legs, Mohammad couldnt read, a chicken cannot read, therefore the chicken must be a prophet.

Thanks for the amusement. :facepalm:
 

Kurt31416

Active Member
Islam has parallels to the Gospel of Thomas not found in the Christian Bible. They definitely have truth about Jesus not found in the Christian version. Granted seems the Christians used a lot more sayings out of Thomas and are therefore closer to the original.

But the story in Islam is that the Mahdi will dig up the Ark of the Covenant, with the 10 Commandments intact, the original Torah, in Moses' handwriting, and the true Gospel of Jesus. All of which will prove the Muslims right about Jesus not being a son-god etc. all along. In Sunni Islam, the guy that digs them up is called Muhammad.

In 1949, a man named Muhammad dug up the Gospel of Thomas, decades older and more genuine than the Christian Gospels. The one where Jesus isn't a son-god.
 
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